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Korea gearing up to be a liberal bankrupt paradise
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Cave Dweller



Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. People dont seem to get it when I am intentionally vague.

brier wrote:
Stan Rogers wrote:


So I'm assuming your wife is Chinese by nationality?


I wish not to discuss my private family life on a public forum.

No need to read too much into my comments. Only disappointed that legal foreign kids don't have the same benefits as nationals do. I pay my taxes like everybody else and it seems behind the times to leave legal foreign kids out of government help.
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two foreigners have a child so the child should be Korean. Right.

Complaining about not getting Korean entitlements when neither parent nor the child is Korean. Right. Rolling Eyes
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Cave Dweller



Joined: 17 Aug 2014
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non-citizen legal residents get most of the same rights as citizens do in many western nations.

I know for sure in Canada that legal resident kids get child tax benefit.

Stan Rogers wrote:
Two foreigners have a child so the child should be Korean. Right.

Complaining about not getting Korean entitlements when neither parent nor the child is Korean. Right. Rolling Eyes
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cave Dweller wrote:
Non-citizen legal residents get most of the same rights as citizens do in many western nations.

I know for sure in Canada that legal resident kids get child tax benefit.

Stan Rogers wrote:
Two foreigners have a child so the child should be Korean. Right.

Complaining about not getting Korean entitlements when neither parent nor the child is Korean. Right. Rolling Eyes

And you think Korea should be like Canada? Right...
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Cave Dweller



Joined: 17 Aug 2014
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't say that, but in this case, yes, I think so.

Legal residents pay taxes and contribute to the system. Korea is creating a two-tier system and that is a dangerous thing to do.

jvalmer wrote:
Cave Dweller wrote:
Non-citizen legal residents get most of the same rights as citizens do in many western nations.

I know for sure in Canada that legal resident kids get child tax benefit.

Stan Rogers wrote:
Two foreigners have a child so the child should be Korean. Right.

Complaining about not getting Korean entitlements when neither parent nor the child is Korean. Right. Rolling Eyes

And you think Korea should be like Canada? Right...
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Korea gearing up to be a liberal bankrupt paradise Reply with quote

Cave Dweller wrote:
Especially with the possibility of reunification looming.


Rolling Eyes
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Chaparrastique



Joined: 01 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Korea gearing up to be a liberal bankrupt paradise Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
Cave Dweller wrote:
Especially with the possibility of reunification looming.


Rolling Eyes


Personally I dread reunification.
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Cave Dweller



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Korea gearing up to be a liberal bankrupt paradise Reply with quote

You may think it will never happen, but the Kovernment has a plan in action right now for the looming possibility. It is investing several billion won every year to put forward un-brainwashing places, etc.

Also there have been a lot more people escaping from the North. They are given refugee status here and cost the Kovernment a lot.

Smithington wrote:
Cave Dweller wrote:
Especially with the possibility of reunification looming.


Rolling Eyes
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Smithington



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't say that it will "never happen", but that's a far cry from saying it's "looming". It ain't looming, unless you've had access to high level files and correspondence that the rest of us are unaware of.

It ain't looming.
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GJoeM



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The title of the thread says "Korea gearing up to be a liberal bankrupt paradise"

Hmmmmmm.....

Good grief man, you are in one of the most right wing,quasi-fascist,intolerant, scapegoating, nationalistic, xenophobic, reactionary, racially fixated, 'pure blood', 'lefty' despising, outsider hating, 'man the barricades and pull up the drawbridge' obsessed countries on face of the planet.

How could it possibly turn into a "liberal bankrupt paradise?"

Whatever that actually means...
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Cave Dweller



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, at first read, I thought you were calling me all those names. Good thing I re-read it.

What I mean by it is that they have several people in the government that are ready to open the floodgates to illegals and creating a social safety net for them that is going to cost Koreans a pile of money they don't have.

If you think I am over exaggerating, take a look at UK. They have hate clerics of the 'religion of peace' collecting benefits equivalent to a lower-middle class salary man's wage.

GJoeM wrote:
The title of the thread says "Korea gearing up to be a liberal bankrupt paradise"

Hmmmmmm.....

Good grief man, you are in one of the most right wing,quasi-fascist,intolerant, scapegoating, nationalistic, xenophobic, reactionary, racially fixated, 'pure blood', 'lefty' despising, outsider hating, 'man the barricades and pull up the drawbridge' obsessed countries on face of the planet.

How could it possibly turn into a "liberal bankrupt paradise?"

Whatever that actually means...
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GJoeM



Joined: 05 Oct 2012

PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But comparing the two countries makes no sense at all -- the UK has been multicultural for more than thirty years, much of which the local British citizens enjoy and support I might add -- it isn't all just 'mad mullahs on welfare' and illegal workers you know. The current stage of the EU and mass immigration is very unpopular, yes, no doubt, I grant you that -- but controlled immigration has been, at the very least, fairly well received by significant sectors of the local British people.

If you'd lived in London at all for any length of time in the past two decades, you'd know that : the far right parties like the National Front and before them, Mosely's fascists received very limited support from ethnic white Britons.

Also, UK has had very influential and strong socialist and left wing welfare movements which have consistently won the massive popular support of the British people, for more than a hundred years -- can you possibly, in your wildest dreams, imagine inward looking xenophobic right wing Korea with a similar intention and purpose and aspiration ?

Koreans simply don't accept foreigners, even in very small numbers -- the idea is repellent to the vast majority of Koreans -- they begrudgingly see foreigners as a 'necessary evil' at best, a pollution to their 'purity' at worst, and that right wing racially focused conservatism isn't going to change any time soon. Full stop -- there would be war on the streets in Korea if immigration increased significantly, and if foreigners actually noticably became part of society here, with equal rights and a voice, and if those immigrants got welfare -- Koreans don't even support welfare for other Koreans, let alone 'foreign riff raff' and non 'pure-race' guest workers.


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nicwr2002



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GJoeM wrote:
But comparing the two countries makes no sense at all -- the UK has been multicultural for more than thirty years, much of which the local British citizens enjoy and support I might add -- it isn't all just 'mad mullahs on welfare' and illegal workers you know. The current stage of the EU and mass immigration is very unpopular, yes, no doubt, I grant you that -- but controlled immigration has been, at the very least, fairly well received by significant sectors of the local British people.

If you'd lived in London at all for any length of time in the past two decades, you'd know that : the far right parties like the National Front and before them, Mosely's fascists received very limited support from ethnic white Britons.

Also, UK has had very influential and strong socialist and left wing welfare movements who have consistently won massive popular support of the British people, for more than a hundred years -- can you possibly, in your wildest dreams, imagine inward looking xenophobic right wing Korea with a similar intention and purpose and aspiration ?

Koreans simply don't accept foreigners, even in very small numbers -- the idea is repellent to the vast majority of Koreans -- they begrudgingly see foreigners as a 'necessary evil' at best, a pollution to their 'purity' at worst, and that right wing racially focused conservatism isn't going to change any time soon. Full stop -- there would be war on the streets in Korea if immigration increased significantly, and if foreigners actually noticably became part of society here, with equal rights and a voice, and if those immigrants got welfare -- Koreans don't even support welfare for other Koreans, let alone 'foreign riff raff' and non 'pure-race' guest workers.


If England is indeed multicultural, then why do they deny visas to spouses of UK citizens? Why are they forced to live in an EU country before being allowed to enter England? Even UK citizens with children can't get their spouse a visa to live and work in England.
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GJoeM



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did I, anywhere in my post, support the current state of the EU and the British govts attacking the poor and vulnerable of all ethnicities, ethnic white Britons and newcomers alike?

Read my post -- I said the current mass immigration in UK is unpopular, but that earlier stages of controlled immigration had had some fair measure of support amongst British people.

My main point is , that the OPs original post ( read his first post and later explanatory ones ) in which he seems to think Korea really could turn into a state of mass immigration with a vast structure of 'freebie welfare' that gives illegal workers equal rights and nationality status ( like England -- or so he believes) is simply bizarre and unfounded.

It's unimaginable in such a right wing 'racially pure' fixated state as Korea.


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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as there is a possibility of 20 million new citizens overnight, mass immigration will not happen in Korea.
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