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"Hub of Asia" theme constructive comments please
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:32 am    Post subject: yes Reply with quote

I notice people have seen their lack of infrastructure to be the hub, and lack of a mature culture. Which one is more damaging?

I would have to say the culture. I agree with most of what was posted here, and 100% disagree with Gord, just because he's Gord.

Koreans have to learn their place in the world, and get a few tips on how to run their country. Then maybe.

I can think of 3-4 cities in Japan alone that would make better hubs than Seoul.
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jaebea



Joined: 21 Sep 2003
Location: SYD

PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was an article I read, probably in some high brow magazine that was addressing another issue, but applies in this situation quite well. It went along the lines of :

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Korea longs to have the status and recognition deserving of an economy of its size. Unfortunately, with status and recognition comes an accordingly high level of responsibility and transparency that isn't happening.


A recent survey in The Economist magazine (18th September 2004), featured an "opacity index".

This, quote, "measures the risks associated with unclear legal systems, regulations, economic policies, corporate-governance standards and corruption in 48 countries."

South Korea, surprisingly, rates higher than a large number of "recognised" countries, even founding EU members.

It beats out China, India, Mexico, Italy, Czech Republic, Poland, Brazil and France.

It loses out to Thailand, Spain, Taiwan, South Africa, Japan, Germany, Singapore, and HK (amongst others).

So, in terms of a business environment in a legal sense, it's not THAT bad a place.

Thus it's the social barriers (ie one thing which keeps popping up is the Korean ID #), and the attitude of the population (which is rather unquantifiable) as a whole which are the key factors here.

That requires a lot more effort than passing through legislation that's going to make things easier only on paper.

jae.
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea doesn't need special development areas. Development areas are for developing counties. Korea as the 12th biggest economy going, depending on global markets for about 40% of its wealth is developed. It is a sign of desperation that they need special districts where things work as they should or ought to in their country. Why do they need special laws for special areas? Why can't these laws be applied to the rest of the country? Honestly opening only some areas only shows how unopen the other areas are. This goes to the heart of my belief about the 'hub'. That on a grassroots level the cross cultural understanding isn't there. Until this changes, and the only way to change it would be to radically change the nature of the educational system in Korea away from nationalist dogma to one teaching about acceptance of other ideas and cultures. When Korean citizens are comfortable dealing with foreigners in a honest and manly way, then the world will use Korea as a hub.
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Various localities in the U.S. have "incentive zones", or whatever you want to call them. The practice has nothing to do with a nation's development status/stage.
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weatherman



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are a lot more than incentive zones.
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Butterfly



Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait

PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Funny, some are going off in a tangent about Korea in the wrong direction again, on the wrong premise.

I don't think Korea / Seoul is claiming to be the hub of Asia, it is setting that goal for itself. Not a bad goal, and if they don't achieve it, they will at least have put certain infrastructure in place so as to generate a more globalized section of the business community. Surely not a bad thing, to aim to be more competitive and to have more influence.

Most Koreans I know, and even the Korean media are well aware of the many shortcomings Korea has in being part of the global business community, despite the size of their economy, they don't have much influence. They are trying to change these faults, deal with them, become a better, more international country. What are they supposed to do? Sit back, do nothing, and watch their economy erode?

We'd soon be criticizing them if they were doing nothing to change their culture. Laughing Poor Korea, can't win on this board.

They have noted what they need to do, set a high bar, and now that is what they are aiming for by setting new initiatives in education, training, urban planning, convention planning etc. Why the hell not?

I don't see why expats seem to find it so annoying, it's what anyone in Korea's position would do.
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dogbert



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210

PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

weatherman wrote:
These are a lot more than incentive zones.


I've been involved with the creation of one of them for the past year. It's no different than what has and can be created in the U.S.
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iiicalypso



Joined: 13 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Butterfly wrote:
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They have noted what they need to do, set a high bar, and now that is what they are aiming for by setting new initiatives in education, training, urban planning, convention planning etc. Why the hell not?

I don't see why expats seem to find it so annoying, it's what anyone in Korea's position would do.


I don't think the criticism has to do with the goals the government is setting, but rather the experiences that all of us have had that suggest that these ideas are being constructed on sand. Every time "education reform" is mentioned, the Korean government throws a ticker tape parade. Unfortunately "reform" doesn't seem to mean "having English teachers who need English."

The sad reality is that many of the proposals seem to revolve around a quick fix rather than a systemic change. It is easy to build a bunch of buildings up, and promise foreign corporations low taxes and minimal intrusion. What is hard is reforming the law so that non-Koreans don't feel like they are intruders. Korea doesn't need foreign compunds, where westerners live, work and play amongst other westerners.

Either open up, or don't. Don't play the middle, though.
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