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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know how it ends.

A lot of it is needed.
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mithridates



Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a new tip. I have a microphone now and I record myself 'teaching' myself new words. I take a page or so of a dictionary and repeat it all, in English as well as the target language. For words that I already know I just say the word once, but for others that I know haven't stuck in my mind I go over it a few times or even talk about it a bit.
Say the word 'demander' in French for example; if you didn't know that you would say it once, then say 'remember that it doesn't mean demand, it means ask! If you want to ask for directions, use demander. Demander.' Then go on to the next word. Usually you'll end up with a 5-minute or so sound file that you can listen to over and over again even while doing 'useless' things like surfing Dave's.
As long as your pronunciation is all right, that is. It doesn't have to be perfect but it should be understandable.
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Universalis



Joined: 17 Nov 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) Buy some Korean language tapes and listen to them all the time... on the way to work, on the way to school, on the way home, on the subway, while walking, anywhere! I suggest the Yonsei tapes.

2) Learn some hanja... they work like prefixes and suffixes in English... it's a good way to expand your vocab.

3) BS with taxi drivers. Seeing as how they're looking forward and concentrating on driving, I find talking to them a bit less intimidating.

4) If you go to a stationary shop, you might be able to find some small notebooks that they sell for about 200W. Buy one and carry it with you... use it write down expressions and vocab you hear during the day.

5) Beyond that, just practice, practice, and practice.

Brian
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d503



Joined: 16 Oct 2004
Location: Daecheong, Seoul

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey mirth I really like that idea about recording the vocab. I'm using it now to keep my non-using languages on track

Thanks for the idea Smile
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komtengi



Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hook up with a local that doesnt speak your language... as the relationship blossoms... watch your language skills rocket
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pollyplummer



Joined: 07 Mar 2005
Location: McMinnvillve, Oregon

PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 9:31 pm    Post subject: learning languages Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
For example, here's a picture that came up when searching for ���� (angry), the gerund form of ������ (get angry):




Redneck learning style: That there's one b*tchin' koyangi! The michin look in her eyes makes me wanna kongbu some of them hangul words until I can tell her to Scram all fancy-like. Wink

No, seriously...When I first came to Korea it seemed like a matter of life and death. I was 17 and very immature and needed to learn everything immediately. I kept getting lost on the bus and the subway, and I'd just sit down by the side of the road and cry. Answer: "Learn how to read and write." Once some drunken ajjosshi tried to kidnap me. Next lesson, learn how to say, "Get the hell away from me." Matters of life and death are great motivators. Unfortunately, conversing with Korean men is not a great motivator for me.
SHOPPING is one of the best motivators for ESL teachers who are new to Korea. That's the only way I can convince some of my female teacher friends that they need to learn numbers and money language. Cool
However, the biggest motivation for me is auditory aesthetics. Words that sound beautiful to me are words that I learn faster than any others. I know it's irrational and it sure as hell isnt flashcards and recordings, but it works for me. Unfortunately, it can be somewhat limiting. Even in English, if I dont like the sound of a word, I try not to use it very much. If I could magically transform myself into someone who could indiscriminately feast on words and language, I'd probably learn much more.
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Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read. Read everything you can get your hands on that you can handle in your target language. Usually the most well-spoken people in their native languages read a lot. IMHO it's no different with a foreign language.

Street signs and subway ads are good when you're first starting. Later graduate to comic books and kids books. Eventually you'll be able to handle light fiction and news (Daum and Naver news is a bit easier to read than regular print news, and the free papers on the subway are also a bit easier to read), and so on. It's the best way to pick up new vocabulary and expose yourself to good grammar on a regular basis.

You'll need a basic grasp of grammar in order to pull this off, and even then you'll need a grammar reference as well as a dictionary. This does take patience, but over the long haul it will do a lot to help you improve.
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SuperHero



Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout

PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2005 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Son Deureo! wrote:
Read. Read everything you can get your hands on that you can handle in your target language. Usually the most well-spoken people in their native languages read a lot. IMHO it's no different with a foreign language.

It's called extensive reading and is a well respected method for learning language. there is also extensive writing.
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Atkinson



Joined: 15 Oct 2004
Location: Land of the Golden Twist-tie

PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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MOS, did you ever get your laptop working? I'm in need of a good flashcard program, but haven't found anything solid online yet, and would like your recommendation.

Manner of Speaking wrote:
marista99 wrote:
Flashcards are invaluable. You can take them on the bus and quiz yourself easily, you can put aside the ones you've mastered and concentrate on the harder ones, etc.

I found that preparing and using flashcards was very slow, so I found a shareware flashcard program, and paid one of my students to prepare word list data files for it. It's on my laptop which has a busted battery right now, but as soon as I transfer the program and data files to a website, I will post a link to it here.

The great thing about flashcard programs is that you can learn new words very quickly, and set up multiple-choice tests. Unfortunately (or possibly fortunately) they force you to learn how to type in Korean.
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cypher



Joined: 08 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would kill for closed-captioning on Korean TV. I can read Korean all right (well, at least I can read some of the subtitles on English shows on TV, which is doing well for me and Korean) but my listening skills shi...so bad. I figure I might understand more of what they were saying if I could read some of what they were saying. As it is, if I watch a drama I add my own dialogue (in English)...highly amusing for me but not so good for improving my Korean.

Okay, this isn't a tip...more of a wish list...with one item.

BTW, anyone know some good Korean music to exercise to?
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the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cypher wrote:
I would kill for closed-captioning on Korean TV. I can read Korean all right (well, at least I can read some of the subtitles on English shows on TV, which is doing well for me and Korean) but my listening skills shi...so bad. I figure I might understand more of what they were saying if I could read some of what they were saying. As it is, if I watch a drama I add my own dialogue (in English)...highly amusing for me but not so good for improving my Korean.


DVDs. In general, Korean TV is absolute shit, but for the last few years now Koreans have been making some good movies and some okay movies. Some are as cheap as 10,000 won (my favorite ��Ģ�� is 10,000 nowadays) and they just started to release cheaper DVD packs (picked up ����������� and ȭ��� for under 15,000 each.
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inkoreafornow



Joined: 14 Sep 2005
Location: Gyeonggido

PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check these sites for more suggestions:

http://how-to-learn-any-language.com

http://www.omniglot.com/
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Atkinson



Joined: 15 Oct 2004
Location: Land of the Golden Twist-tie

PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I searched for, downloaded and installed all the flash card programs I could find. Most of them were not good enough to relase even as alpha because of horrible layout (buttons hiding off the screen), or weak features (can only go Eng=>��, not ��=>Eng). All the rest were acceptable as flash card programs where you can do slideshows of the cards, or quiz yourself, or whatever you like.

One program that stood out for me was VTrain: http://www.vtrain.net/home.htm. This program does more than just let you go through your hundreds of flash cards being right or wrong. This one remembers how well you know each card, and gives you more practice with the ones you mess up, and less with the ones you always get. So some words you'll practice every day or two, and some you'll practice once every year or two (Do you really need to practice �ִ� and �� every day?), or never again, if you choose that option. This way, you spend all your valuable time learning hard words. You can choose to type the answers out, or just say them (check the answer, and then tell the computer if you got it right).

It's not the easiest program to use right away because it's not just a simple flashcard program, but it comes with an integrated tutorial that got me up and running fast.

There are sets of flash cards already made for many languages at their website, but not one for Korean. I've already made my own based on the Sogang series. If you want it, PM me.

The shareware version comes with a 30-hour time limit. I don't know if it stops funcitoning or just nags you after that. I'm not gonng find out because I just bought a licence. I think this is my first time buying shareware.
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