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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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| Religion is a personal and private matter, and has no place in the classroom. Witness the damage done by graduates of Muslim schools. Your faith, should you need one, is your own. Embrace it if you must, but kindly shut up about it. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Religion is a personal and private matter, and has no place in the classroom. Witness the damage done by graduates of Muslim schools. Your faith, should you need one, is your own. Embrace it if you must, but kindly shut up about it. |
How can you possibly discuss society, culture, literature, and especially history without addressing religion? Most great Western thinkers were profoundly influenced by the Bible; how can you understand where they were coming from without talking about it? |
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Penny
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 1:29 am Post subject: |
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There are plenty of places you can go to discuss this stuff. i.e. churches, etc. Places not to discuss this would be in classrooms unless the subject at hand is religion which I doubt would occur often for most of the EFL teachers. On occasions that you do come accross religious topics, you should try to remain neutral. Teachers have so much power and influence over students, I do think it would be wrong to spread your beliefs in classrooms.
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Zenpickle
Joined: 06 Jan 2004
Location: Anyang -- Bisan
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| coolsage wrote: |
| Religion is a personal and private matter, and has no place in the classroom. Witness the damage done by graduates of Muslim schools. Your faith, should you need one, is your own. Embrace it if you must, but kindly shut up about it. |
How can you possibly discuss society, culture, literature, and especially history without addressing religion? Most great Western thinkers were profoundly influenced by the Bible; how can you understand where they were coming from without talking about it? |
There's a big difference between objectively discussing how religion affects history and proselytizing to your students. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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i went to a private xtian high school and there was no "God is glorious and loving and this and that". it was history class.
the church had a huge impact on history...
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| There are plenty of places you can go to discuss this stuff. i.e. churches, etc. |
you study history in church? What church do you go to?
I think that to counteract the evangelical xtians out there, there are reactionary "pagans" :roll: who feel incredibly threatened by religion that they almost refuse to acknowledge it's influence on cultures.
You can discuss religion in your class. You can even EXPLAIN your religion to your students (i mean, what better way to understand a religion...), but i don't think it's right to say whether one religion is right or wrong.
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i don't see any "M" :wink: |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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i went to a private xtian high school and there was no "God is glorious and loving and this and that". it was history class.
the church had a huge impact on history...
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| There are plenty of places you can go to discuss this stuff. i.e. churches, etc. |
you study history in church? What church do you go to?
I think that to counteract the evangelical xtians out there, there are reactionary "pagans" :roll: who feel incredibly threatened by religion that they almost refuse to acknowledge it's influence on cultures.
You can discuss religion in your class. You can even EXPLAIN your religion to your students (i mean, what better way to understand a religion...), but i don't think it's right to say whether one religion is right or wrong.
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Read Da Vinci Code !!!!
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i don't see any "M" :wink: |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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hm...ignore this and look down
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| coolsage wrote: |
| Religion is a personal and private matter, and has no place in the classroom. Witness the damage done by graduates of Muslim schools. Your faith, should you need one, is your own. Embrace it if you must, but kindly shut up about it. |
I think you should qualify the statement about Islamic schools. While there are a number of Madrassas and Pesantren in places like Pakistan and Indonesia preach hatred and intollerance, many others provide education for kids who would not otherwise get it. Just as most people who go to Christian schools turn out to be decent people, so to do most graduates of Muslim schools. Both my nieces in Jakarta attend an Islamic religious school, outside of regular school and I doubt whether they will become suicide bombers anytime soon. Like most little girls their age, they are too busy playing dolly and watching cartoons. Its blanket statements like yours above that distress regular Muslims (like myself). Please look beyond the religion and look at the person. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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i went to a private xtian high school and there was no "God is glorious and loving and this and that". it was history class.
the church had a huge impact on history...
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| There are plenty of places you can go to discuss this stuff. i.e. churches, etc. |
you study history in church? What church do you go to?
I think that to counteract the evangelical xtians out there, there are reactionary "pagans" :roll: who feel incredibly threatened by religion that they almost refuse to acknowledge it's influence on cultures.
You can discuss religion in your class. You can even EXPLAIN your religion to your students (i mean, what better way to understand a religion...), but i don't think it's right to say whether one religion is right or wrong.
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i don't see any "M" :wink:
RE: mission and relief work.
My parents have done extensive relief work in Mozambique, Rwanda, Somalia, Ugana, Costa Rica, and (very soon now....5 days) the Sudan. Their organizstion is based in our denomination (the org. is called CRWRC). I have had many discussions with people who have this worry that all the relief work being done in these troubled areas is being tied to mission work.
Well, let me reassure you that, at least in terms of their organization, it is NOT. Our denomination keeps missionary work (mostly done in Muslim countries nowadays it seems) and relief work seperate.
That said, it's important to mention the importance that the church plays in these African countries where relief work is being done. They act as facilitators, translators, transporters, bases, homes, supporters etc... really too many to mention.
And while they do not "preach" at the recipients of aid, they do hold their own prayers, bless them (in their own, "unordained" way), etc....
That said, you must understand the sentiments that people like my parents feel in these situations: More often than not, the people they reach have nothing. And not like, an empty wallet or an empty bank account. I'm talking nothing, no house, bed, blanket...nothing but their clothes (some of the stories of post flood in mozambique are just insane). They feel that their work is putting God into their lives in untangible ways. They feel inCREDIBLY blessed, and feel very strongly, that the work they are doing is God's work. On more than one occasion my parens have mentioned something along these lines.
Basically, they do not "preach" or try and convert, but the "spiritualness" of the work they do almost forces them to express their faith and gratitude, and their spiritual growth, in some way or another. Luckily there's more than enough churches for them to go to. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| holy crap...what the hell is going on...sorry folks...my posts aren't NEARLY that interesting... WTF? Can anyone help here.. |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| Religion is a personal and private matter, and has no place in the classroom. Witness the damage done by graduates of Muslim schools. Your faith, should you need one, is your own. Embrace it if you must, but kindly shut up about it. |
I think you should qualify the statement about Islamic schools. While there are a number of Madrassas and Pesantren in places like Pakistan and Indonesia preach hatred and intollerance, many others provide education for kids who would not otherwise get it. Just as most people who go to Christian schools turn out to be decent people, so to do most graduates of Muslim schools. Both my nieces in Jakarta attend an Islamic religious school, outside of regular school and I doubt whether they will become suicide bombers anytime soon. Like most little girls their age, they are too busy playing dolly and watching cartoons. Its blanket statements like yours above that distress regular Muslims (like myself). Please look beyond the religion and look at the person. |
My apologies to you and your nieces. Given the times in which we live, it's sometimes tempting to paint in broad strokes. Islam has no monopoly when it comes to extremism in the name of some higher power , and of course the great majority of Muslims are regular people who wish to live their lives peacefully, earn an honest living, and send their kids to school. However, Muslims are getting a bad rep these days because, in addition to the insurgency in Iraq, some of them are blowing up schools in South Thailand. This endears them to no one. Organized religion of any stripe, with the possible exception of Buddhism, has the potential to become a nasty scourge. Goodnight, and may your god go with you. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Hard to stay neutral about Christianity or Islam. Islam has a history of brutal violence, particularly as hordes of Arab Muslims conquered in the name of Allah. It's been said Mohammed himself ordered massacres of "infidels" or non-believers. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| Hard to stay neutral about Christianity or Islam. Islam has a history of brutal violence |
As opposed to Christianity and ancient Judaism??? |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| As opposed to Hindus and Buddhists? As opposed to Christians and Muslims(crusades)? As opposed to Christians and Christains (reformation)? Every religion becomes repressive as soon as it becomes dogmatic. |
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jaganath69
Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| Religion is a personal and private matter, and has no place in the classroom. Witness the damage done by graduates of Muslim schools. Your faith, should you need one, is your own. Embrace it if you must, but kindly shut up about it. |
I think you should qualify the statement about Islamic schools. While there are a number of Madrassas and Pesantren in places like Pakistan and Indonesia preach hatred and intollerance, many others provide education for kids who would not otherwise get it. Just as most people who go to Christian schools turn out to be decent people, so to do most graduates of Muslim schools. Both my nieces in Jakarta attend an Islamic religious school, outside of regular school and I doubt whether they will become suicide bombers anytime soon. Like most little girls their age, they are too busy playing dolly and watching cartoons. Its blanket statements like yours above that distress regular Muslims (like myself). Please look beyond the religion and look at the person. |
My apologies to you and your nieces. Given the times in which we live, it's sometimes tempting to paint in broad strokes. Islam has no monopoly when it comes to extremism in the name of some higher power , and of course the great majority of Muslims are regular people who wish to live their lives peacefully, earn an honest living, and send their kids to school. However, Muslims are getting a bad rep these days because, in addition to the insurgency in Iraq, some of them are blowing up schools in South Thailand. This endears them to no one. Organized religion of any stripe, with the possible exception of Buddhism, has the potential to become a nasty scourge. Goodnight, and may your god go with you. |
Cheers, no worries. |
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