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swetepete
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Seems a little mad to suggest that the Shoa was a Zionist plot. I'm sorry, i can't buy that for a minute.
I certainly won't dispute there being a lot of Germans of partially Jewish ancestry within the Third Reich, though. That's entirely believable. But to think that it was all a long-term cunning ploy to take back the supposedly holy land from the arabs...it sounds like an imaginative, paranoid delusion to me.
If the Elders of Zion or whoever were so smart and powerful, and so far-seeing, I'd think they'd have been able to manipulate things in a less chaotic, less wasteful manner, and get their promised land handed to them through some other, less costly scam.
I reject other conspiracy theories regarding secret cabals who run the world (masons, skull'n'bones, jews, aliens, halliburton, and whatnot) for similar reasons. If there really is a master plan, what is it? How come China is so strong? Or Iran? Why did the Viet Cong win the war? Why are so many Americans messed on crack and speed? Why do the Israelis live in fear? Why is Paris Hilton in jail? Why is David Hasselhof so popular in Germany?
No One is calling the shots. If there was a secret overmind running stuff, It's long since gone braindead, or completely insane. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 2:11 am Post subject: Re: Zionism and the Third Reich |
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Impressive comments Adventurer.
Your insight & input is greatly valued. What precisely is "Jewry"?
You lost me here 
The thing that is plain to any child of course is "WHO" profitted from the persecution of Europe's Jews?
Who? Is-RA-el 
The "burnt offering" Holocaust was precisely what they (the Zionists) needed in order to implement their final "solution".
Hitler was inarguably one of history's greatest Zionists 
Without him & the systemic persecution there would be no Israel. Period.
Indeed politics makes for unexpected bedfellows, truth IS stranger than fiction.
Oh yes, RU familiar with the history of the Ash-ke-NAZIS?[/quote]
You are actually sounding like the Arabs who talk about European Jews as the Khazarim and who say that the Ashkenazim are synonymous with the Khazarim. That is another topic. Stick to one thing at a time.
You are stating that the Zionists sought for the killing of millions of Jews, so that Zionism could emerge triumphant in Israel. There are several problems with that theory. One, Zionism started before Hitler was even born and people were moving there, but in lower numbers. The holocaust was vital in that it scared Jews to emigrate, but that is not why Hitler did that. He considered Jews to be the enemies of German nationalism.
The Zionists did what they could, in many cases, to help Jews who wanted to move to Israel. However, even Zionists were killed by Hitler. As far as those Jews who did not care about the Zionists' views including the Bundists, the Zionist leadership didn't care about saving their lives, so if the Zionists are guilty of anything it is not doing enough to help the Jews
who didn't necessarily share their views.
I think some Zionists thought Hitler would be a good ally for the purposes of starting Israel. It doesn't mean they were sympathizers. There were even Jews who worked in the holocaust camps and called Kapos, and some even immigrated to Israel, I believe. Things are not completely clear, but Zionists are not all the same and people did different things in that war. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Zionism and the Third Reich |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| You are actually sounding like the Arabs who talk about European Jews as the Khazarim and who say that the Ashkenazim are synonymous with the Khazarim. That is another topic. Stick to one thing at a time. |
Sounds like the Arabs? Truth is truth.
Why should the colour of one's skin, age, gender, religion etc. even matter? Hmmmmm ...
The ash-ke-NAZIS are key players, their extremist philosophy & dediction to terrorism
central to the rise of Zion-ISM & the unleashing of significant global suffering.
http://www.iamthewitness.com
etc, etc ...
| Adventurer wrote: |
You are stating that the Zionists sought for the killing of millions of Jews, so that Zionism could emerge triumphant in Israel.
There are several problems with that theory.
One, Zionism started before Hitler was even born and people were moving there, but in lower numbers. The holocaust was vital in that it scared Jews to emigrate, but that is not why Hitler did that. |
Few would claim Hitler invented Zionism 
What is most clear however is that he played an important historic role.
He understood dialectics their role within geo-politics.
No Holocaust = NO Is-RA-el.
Simple.
While we're on the topic, how's this sit with you?
Thesis: HELLEN-ism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenism
anti-thesis: SEMIT-ism
21st century synthesis = JDL, Anti-defamation League etc, etc.
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| He considered Jews to be the enemies of German nationalism. |
That WAS what he said wasn't it?
Over and over ... & over again. The BIG LIE.
repetition = truth?
You believe everything politicians say?
It was the magic MANTRA he had to keep repeating in order to whip his followers into a blind rage & frenzy. Why? To bring about desired political change.
FIND A SCAPEGOAT!
Do you believe Hilter acted independent of any outside influences?
Who wrote MEIN KAMPF? Hilter?
WHO MASSIVELY FINANCED THE 3RD REICH?
Hmmmmmm ... it's not like rocket-science.
| Adventurer wrote: |
| The Zionists did what they could, in many cases, to help Jews who wanted to move to Israel. However, even Zionists were killed by Hitler. As far as those Jews who did not care about the Zionists' views including the Bundists, the Zionist leadership didn't care about saving their lives, so if the Zionists are guilty of anything it is not doing enough to help the Jews who didn't necessarily share their views. |
Actually, major Zionists BLOCKED the transport of many of Europe's jews
Elitist politics. Sociopathic policies.
Europe's assimilationist jews were the primary victims.
SHOAH means burnt 'offering'. Offering to who? To what?
Ever heard of MOLOCH? BA-EL? Bloodthirsty.
Human sacrifice (e.g. WAR) was key to their survival.
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| I think some Zionists thought Hitler would be a good ally for the purposes of starting Israel. It doesn't mean they were sympathizers. There were even Jews who worked in the holocaust camps and called Kapos, and some even immigrated to Israel, I believe. Things are not completely clear, but Zionists are not all the same and people did different things in that war. |
Kapos eh? Interesting.
Are you aware 100,000 purported ethnic Jews served in Hilter's army?
How many were tried at Nuremberg for " ... simply following orders ... ?"
A COIN WITH TWO SIDES!!!
http://randompottins.blogspot.com/2007/05/coin-with-two-sides.html
Y'know Spielberg did such a lovely job with Shindler's List, one can't help but wonder when he's gonna do a big 'block-buster' HOLLYWOOD flick about THIS? |
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igotthisguitar
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