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| How useful is a TEFL cert? |
| Great, don't leave home without one |
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25% |
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| Useful, but only bother if it means u'll get more pay |
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51% |
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| Useless, save yourself the money and don't bother |
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22% |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
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All you need to do is check out the poll. It's really not that difficult.
Oh, and blunder1983 posted. |
How many of those votes are your socks. At least two you and gollum. Any others you keep around just to skew the polls.
Wow, one other person said something that agreed with you in three pages. That's a real loud chorus you have there. Face it, you are wrong. |
Oh, blunder1983, don't you know that saying 'TEFL certificate' on these boards is like pouring pertol onto a fire? This is nothing new. You can read a thousand similar arguments on the general discussion forums, most of which have the benefit of having people who've actually taken the course on the anti- side of things.
I'm not in Korea at the moment. Having said that, CELTA has been worth it for me, and it paid for itself in about three months. I don't care who chooses to get certified or not, but, at the same time, some of the idiocy in this thread has been making my head hurt.
So what I want to know is, who really cares? I seriously doubt that Superhero, Gypsyfish or anyone else really cares what Derrek does or thinks. It is just irking to see misinformation disseminated with such cloying midwestern smugness. At the end of the day though, it's just Derrek. Let the people who think certification is worthwhile do it. Derrek's got better things to do with his time or money than spend a couple of grand and a month of his life failing CELTA and so do a lot of other people. Here's a hint: if you actually agree with what Derrek is saying, then you should definitely NOT waste money getting certified. Just make sure you have a planned 'out' from teaching, because you could end up in your fourth contract at some Korean token native speaker job with no better ideas than 'Time for a Fake Certificate for another $100 a Month.' Depressing, no?
Also, keep in mind that if a prospective ELT employer can't tell the difference between the most recognised EFL certificates in the world and a mail order internet certificate, then DON'T WORK FOR THEM.
CELTA is useless in most Korean language schools. You don't need it. If hakwons are the extent of your ambition in this field then don't bother. So what's the problem? Derrek does what he does, and as far as I've been able to tell, teaching 'TEFL' classes at a girls' highschool in Korea is about his level. Living in Royal Palace in Pundang, he know's that he's finally made he's made it after all this time (until the next time the Ministry of Education changes its mind/until he gets too old).
To the OP - I don't know about Trinity, but CELTA spends about 2 hours on adaption of materials and creation of a syllabus in total. It's not much, and since it's near the end of the course and un-assessed not many people pay attention. One of the assumptions is that people with a certification (which is marketed as a 'pre-service' qualification) probably won't be having to deal with those problems for quite some time since under normal circumstances they would be getting support and continuing guidance from more experienced teachers/DOSs at established centres. It's a starter course. With no teaching experience, you'd be out of your depth, certificate or not. Don't blame your training, blame your employer.
Anyway, did you all know that there's a New Celta?
Also, Derrek, what's your opinion on the status of UCLES? Defacto or not? |
Let me ask you this: What would the average hagwon or University in Korea think of the status of UCLES? Do you think they'd know or care?
How about ACTDEC? Or IATQUO? Or UKCT?
Chances are, they won't know the difference, or care, either. |
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blunder1983
Joined: 12 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Hmm I can see this is just simple flame fodder.
I think your right gang, with a DOS etc. I'd be a lot less out of my depth. But hey hey, I'm coming into week 3 and there hasn't been a single hiccup yet (touch wood) so I'm not complaining.
As for everyone else, its all down to personal choice, so i'd just let it rest.
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| I noticed some jobs in Vietnam and I believe Thailand require one of those things. |
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