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[some waygug-in]

So how does one go about verifying a story like this? There were no names, dates or even a vague location given, other than somewhere in Seoul.

I guess I'll take dijon-mustard on my hat.

Cheers

[Harvard Material]

Well, some waygug-in...start by conacting the Seoul Classified. I will be this afternoon, and posting whatever response they hand me.
Gonna' get some info on the author - hopefully - as well as EnfCorp. Your damn right it was vague.

If a publishing firm documents articles, and advertises for the general public, I would imagine the material has to be genuine...otherwise the firm is in beach of public trust, and guilty of knowingly posting false statements. Seoul Classified certainly didn't mention any information that would prove the article is fact or fiction. Just a story anyone could have written.

I like panthermodern's plan to contact both the Seoul Classified and the businesses that advertise in it.

See where this gets in a few days...

[The Lemon]

[Bulsajo]

[joseg]

ESL bro's. Some of you really need to take a chiil pill and get a grip of yourselves. I never said that enfcorp kicked in our door, I don't know who did it, I only suspect it could have been enfcorp (after reading the posts on this board and the article). Anyway, we were mongrels and got the flogging we deserved. I am the only one back in Korea and I WILL NEVER work for a hagwaon again. By the way, who ever proved that the Busan Rape Story was b.s.? I recall reading that post but never heard of anyone proving it was crap. I also read the Seoul Classified story yesterday and I don't have a problem with it. I didn't think it was for the bad guys and was sort of interesting. There's nothing new in there anyway. Owners spying on employees? Happens all the time. Immigration watching subways for private teachers? Happens all the time. The only dodgy part was the bit about firearms, but this is Korea, who knows...anything is possible. But as someone else wrote, what are they going to do shoot us?

[The Lemon]

Joseg: what hogwon was it? I can't think of any reason why you wouldn't want to say. Also, it would be a good heads-up warning to teachers just what schools are willing to employ this mythical EnfCorp, if it exists.

Also, you sound pretty negative about Korea based on your experiences. Did it scare you off of Korea for good?

[crazylemongirl]

[Draven]

[richinkorea]

Could it be the mysterious Kiss It (__X__ ) ??

Wonder which log in he goes by now ?

[The Lemon]

[joseg]

Seriously, some you clowns need to brush up on your comprehension skills. I never said that being flogged, locked up for 48-hours and having money stolen off you was a sort of interesting. I said that the Seoul Classified story was sort of interesting. Fair go! I know that your all a bunch of doubting thomases but at least have a read of my post before flying off the handle. The hagwon's name was Oxford English and it was located in Susaek. The reason that there's no point in even getting into the details is because we sent the guy broke. When 6 out of your 7 teachers pull the pin and you can't find replacements then it's full-time. Koreans are not known for their loyalty when it comes to their children's education. That's why I can look back on the situation now and say that we deserved a hiding. We screwed the owner coz he tried to screw us and he got angry. Anyway, we put up a good fight and I really think the owner lost more than we did in the end. I couldn't care less if none you clowns believe my story. It's a free world and if you think you've got all the answers, then good on you. All I know is one thing, teaching privately is a hell of a lot better than working in a hagwon. Hagwon's stink and that's the bottom line coz Stone Cold said so.

[The Lemon]

[Draven]

[panthermodern]

Thanx bean town scholar (Harvard Material) ...


Poster here on this board are quite happy attacking each other and the Hakwons and such in the ROK, but when it comes from something like this...

NOTHING

As I stated, The Seoul Classified has ticked me off when it comes to this article, for it (the article) and the Seoul Classified (its publishers and editors) are more of the problem in Korea then the "dishonest hagwon director".

Such attitudes expressed by the Seoul Classified are an expression of the tabloid reading Korean population.

How can we expect a fair deal and just treatment in this industry, unless the masses that read the Seoul Classified view Hakwon Owners and thier hired thugs as being unjust.

This style of article is far more dangerous then I think most peole realize, ESPECIALLY if it is untrue.

If we allow a publication,which makes its bread and butter from the avertising of goods and services to the foreign community, run roughshot over the EFL community: the EFL community is asking for and deserving of continued biased and sub standard treatment.

If we (ESL "professionals") do not respond to this outrageous article in one way or another, we are sending the message that futher articles, thought, and action are perfectly acceptable.

Ignoring this attack on our status will do nothing but encouraging futher violations, and the perception that violations are acceptable.

Does none but I see this article a a direct strike against the EFL community. Faux, Bogus, Hoax, and/or Fraud or not.

Let me summerize:

1) The Seoul Classified is an English Language free publication which generates revenue by selling advertisement (in English) to business and service which are "looking for foreign business.

2) The article in question is "positive" in featuring(if not glamorizing) a business, which it's one and only goal ( business plan) is the violation and intimidation the rights of EFL workers in Korea (for profit).

3) Thus one could assume that such a publication is "selling" the fact that the foreign community in Korea cares not and/or agrees with the fact that ENFCORP is justified. That the foreign EFL community needs to be controlled by a force of hired mercenaries.

4) Would you want to be a patron of a business that supports the editorial thoughts and beliefs of such a publisher?

The issue of ENFCORP is two fold; Do they exist or not.

In a way, the Seoul Classified better pray they really do, for the fabrication of such a publication by, as I have illustrated, a foreign reliant business, is sure idiotacy. OR that Korean business that advertise in the Seoul Classified are also seeking to victomise, cheat and/or use foreign customers.

I thing that the this topic is an illustration of how it it OK to insult the foreign community, and thus it will futher encourage other Korean busninesses to follow suit.

ONE MORE TIME:

The Seoul Classified is illustrating that it is just and profitable to bully and intimidadate the foreigners in the ELF industry in Korea.

Thats my opinion.

CYA

panthermodern

BTW: I came back to comment on this topic after recieving some phone calls, emails, PMs, ect. about this topic, and I felt that I had to say something.

Now if Bulsaju and others want to attack me for posting, I suggest they go to work for the Seoul Classified.

[Bulsajo]