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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject:

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I have no problem looking at words I wrote months ago. They still look pretty good to me, far better than anything I've seen you say. They are my words and I still agree with them. The insurgency could not be so constantly replenished if it weere only Baathist "dead-enders" as Rumsfeld has been so fond of saying - it is quite obvious to anyone looking that the forces we fight are people we have created ourselves by way of the obvious injustices contained in our actions there.

How do you know that?

the insurgents know they can't win an elction

The Shias 60% of the country accept the US precence for now and the Kurds 205 support it.

What right to the insurgents 20% of the nation to tell the rest of Iraq what to do?

The Jihadists are from outside of Iraq so their opinon doesn't mean anything.

And remember the US woudl have not taken down Saddam if he had given up his war.

If the Bathists and Khomeni lovers and bin Laden followers don't want to give up their war then anything the US does to force them to is justified.
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This is simple fact, not support of the insurgents or anyone else ... for you, of course, failure ot support Bush is identical with support the people who kill our troops. But what you object to most is someone like me who points out that it is Bush who is killing our troops by the very situation willfully created in Iraq, am extended occupation with no end in sight and no discernible tangible goal for our country. None, save conquest and hegemony. None, save occupation and slaughter.

You condemn the actions of the US but you refuse to condemn the insurgents for thier war. You say they are defending their homes against a foreing invasion.

Tell us why that is the case , why are they not trying to conquer Iraq?

Maybe you think that mideast regimes have a right to teach hate , fund Al Qaida , plan terror and incite violence. well sorry Bob .

The US is right to force mideast regimes and groups to change their behavior.

The strategic situation of the mideast is what powed Al Qaida.

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Answer this question, and tell us all truly - if an invading army marched into your country and the streets of your town, is there ANYthing you would fail to do to oppose them? Answer it. And tell the truth, just once. And if you even hint that you would do anything similar to what most of the insurgents are doing, then of course, you sir, are defending "their" war.

It would depend - if I were a Kurd or a Shia I would be thankful for the US freed me from that criminal Saddam.

If I were a Sunni I would work with the elections.

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The insurgents do evil things and I have not defended any of it. The Bush administration has done evil things and I attack that. The evil that THEY do reflects on ME. I resent it, I resent the bad things it brings on my country - I resent the fact that Bush has made my country seem evil in the eyes of the world.

The US hasn't behaved worse than most nations at war.

And the Saddam and the Khomeni followers and Bin Laden lovers would not give up their war.

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I will not back down from that. And you can tell all the lies about me you wish, and knowing what we all know about you, it is only a source of giggles, a small man (you) in fanatical devotion to another small man (Bush) defending what cannot be defended and claiming to love his country while watching it being dismantled a little bit more every day.

No lies that was the truth just as that you are worried that the US is too powerful and that any strategic gains in Iraq are ill gotten that must be returned.

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Yes, Joo, I have said this because it is true. You attack me because you know it is true, and attacking me is easier than attacking what I say.

the fact is that you condemn the US but refuse to condemn the insurgents for their war.

And you worry that the US is too powerful

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You decision to quote out of context (below) shows more dishonesty ... again, we expect no less from you. I have inserted what you chose to leave out.

It was not out of context and you are one to talk

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Yes, most definitely a lie, Joo. Lies are what you trade in around here, and this is just one more. I have never supported Bush and I have never supported Saddam, and I have never supported Zarqawi or bin Laden. This is what is true, and you, sir, are an ass.

it is no lie .

You condemn the US for its war but you refuse to condemn the insurgent for thier war.

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One more quote removed from its context. Batting .1000 today, Joo ...

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The Bobster

It is not out of context..

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Earlier you said that I condemned the US, and now you shift it over to that I condemn the US war - why do you believe such things are the same, just as you earlier claimed that condemning the Bush administration was the same as condemning my entire country. Jeeze, the man only got 51% of the vote last time, and less than a majority the other time ... how is that anything like condemning America?

fact is you condemn the US for its actions but you refuse to condemn the insurgents for their war. And you are afraid the US is too powerful

and you get upset when someone calls castro a Jerk.

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quote]the lie that I never condemned the insurgents. And you ignore the lie you made right here in front of us that said I condemn the US. What a piece of work you are.

U don't condemn their war.

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You lied here in front of us all and continue to do by claiming against all facts that I accused Cheney of bigotry - there is plenty enough to lay at his feet without resorting to that - you lied and continue to lie and you will apologize for these lies or you will simply have to admit to one and all that your lies make your presence here a very ludicrous joke and no one, not ONE thinking person in these forums take you seriously.

fact is that you peace activist think it is funny when someone wishes the VP dead .

You said that bigotry is an excse of that action.

So what was your excuse mr peace activist?

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Actually, it's been that way for a while, Joo, or haven't you noticed? Only the most rabid and brain-damaged bigots and sick-puppy haters count you as someone to worthy of trust. TUM likes you, pretty sure of that, and wannago is a fan, and I'll bet Leslie Cheswick and bigverne pray to your poster every night before they sleep. Great crowd, Joo, really cool bunch of fans you got, not to mention the weak response to Mankind's suggestion that we kill 10 million or so muslims to "send a message"

... and that says all about you that anyone needs to say.

the fact is while I said something against MK you defended the hate specch of your fascist drinking buddy Ersatz time in and time out.

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By the way, is TMKATM a sick puppy for trying to win money over when Arafat would die? Sounds a little sick to me. I think the world needs to know your opinion about this.

Well Cheny has saved lives Araft on the other hand never did anything good .

Killing Bathists , Khomeni followers and Bin Laden lovers saves lives.

And I don't claim to be a peace activist Mr I think its funny when someone wishes Cheney dead

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nd we'd like some truth this time, as that would be a refreshing change

coming from you.

Here is the truth you are the king of slander and Hypocricy and you are a fake peace activist.

The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:56 am Post subject:

Once again, Joo, it seems you need a trained professional to consult you on the dosage of your medications. There was nothing in your last post that any thinking person can latch onto and try to gain meaning from. It makes me sad, but then I remember you have always been this way as long as I have known you. There are people who are trained to help you with the kind of reality problems that you display. Go to them. The rest of us will be cheering for you as you deal with them. A lot of us are really rooting for you, yoiu know, even the ones you have attacked with little or no provocation in the past. You can beat this. Others have done so in the past. I do know that that the main problem with Librium is figuring out just how much or how little someone needs - have patience and listen to your doctors. They have spent years of training with this. Eventually it will come out all right. While you are in this state of mind, though, I'm still gonna hope for one glint of of honesty, a question I asked before and which you dodged, not very artfully : If a foreign army marched down your hometown's main street and you had a gun and a clear shot - would you fail to take that shot? It's a "yes / no" question, so answers like "It would depend ..." do not count. You have tried to attack me with this, so I will attack you back with the same - and you have still not apologized for lying about saying I called Cheney a bigot when I never did. You still need to do that. But here it is in a nutshell : if you claim that you have a chance to kill even one soldier on the street of your town who is part of an army that claims to be "lilberators" but instead intends to occupy and remain and create bases for decades to come ... if you can watch that happening on the street where you grew up and played as a child, and you have a chance to pull a trigger and stop even one soldier, then Joo, then you are not a patriot, but a coward, and a quisling traitor to your nation. You will say that all of this defends the insurgents, but hell you say, I am defending the right of any human being to defend their homeland against an invading force. Will you oppose such an notion? How will you defend it without eliminating the same right of our own Americans to do nothing less were it to happen to us? Answer the question, Joo. Would you pull that trigger if it was your town and the army had no intention of leaving, as we now know Bush's army does not intend to leave? You brought this here to attack me. Do you have the courage to answer it honestly? I use that word - "honestly" - in its losest sense here. Few of us expect anything close to it from you, not from your behavior around here. On this very thread, we have seen you backtrack with "Let me correct that" and yet you continue the lie that I ever called Cheney a bigot. You, sir, are the greatest liar who ever came around these Forums. I'm not a perfect guy myself about quoting stuff out of context, but your continued insistence that I said the thing you claim I have about the VP shows exactly what you are all about here. And what you are about is not anything like what is true. Oh, and glad to see you again, Joo, hope you stop by again real soon.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:14 pm Post subject:

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Joo, it seems you need a trained professional to consult you on the dosage of your medications. There was nothing in your last post that any thinking person can latch onto and try to gain meaning from. It makes me sad, but then I remember you have always been this way as long as I have known you.

Just as long as you quit drinking and posting.

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There are people who are trained to help you with the kind of reality problems that you display. Go to them. The rest of us will be cheering for you as you deal with them. A lot of us are really rooting for you, yoiu know, even the ones you have attacked with little or no provocation in the past. You can beat this. Others have done so in the past. I do know that that the main problem with Librium is figuring out just how much or how little someone needs - have patience and listen to your doctors. They have spent years of training with this. Eventually it will come out all right

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Did you ever try AA?

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While you are in this state of mind, though, I'm still gonna hope for one glint of of honesty, a question I asked before and which you dodged, not very artfully : If a foreign army marched down your hometown's main street and you had a gun and a clear shot - would you fail to take that shot?

Depends on the situation , if I were a Kurd or a Shia I wouldn't.

Tell us why the Kurds aren't.

And if I were freed from a mass killer like Saddam I would be happy.

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It's a "yes / no" question, so answers like "It would depend ..." do not count. You have tried to attack me with this, so I will attack you back with the same -

Well you don't see the Kurds or the Shias (other than Sadr) 80% fighting against the US. You explain that?

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and you have still not apologized for lying about saying I called Cheney a bigot when I never did. You still need to do that.

You said bigotry was as excuse for you being no peaceful your post against Cheny was none peaceful. So where is the evidence than Cheny is a bigot. What is your excuse for your post?

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But here it is in a nutshell : if you claim that you have a chance to kill even one soldier on the street of your town who is part of an army that claims to be "lilberators" but instead intends to occupy and remain and create bases for decades to come ... if you can watch that happening on the street where you grew up and played as a child, and you have a chance to pull a trigger and stop even one soldier, then Joo, then you are not a patriot, but a coward, and a quisling traitor to your nation.

explain then why the Kurds support the US invasion and presence? Explain why most of the Shia's accept it?

Are they cowards and traitors? You sound like your Riverside Bathists blogger.

Futhermore Saddam's government was illegitimate

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You will say that all of this defends the insurgents, but hell you say, I am defending the right of any human being to defend their homeland against an invading force. Will you oppose such an notion? How will you defend it without eliminating the same right of our own Americans to do nothing less were it to happen to us?

Tell us why the Kurds and Shia 80% of the nation accept or even support the US precence.

I have said if the Sunnis want independence then they ought to get it.

but what gives the Sunnis the right to tell the other 80% of Iraqis what to do?

What gives them the right to stop elections?

Futhermore Saddam's government wasn't legitimate anyway.

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Answer the question, Joo. Would you pull that trigger if it was your town and the army had no intention of leaving, as we now know Bush's army does not intend to leave?

Tell us why the Kurds aren't pulling the trigger? Tell us why the insurgents are trying to stop elecitons.

What gives the Sunnis the right to tell the Kurds what to do?

Besides I would be happy to be free of a fascist like Saddam.

Furthermore your analogy is inaccurate

I would fight for my country if my government was legitimate, and if the invaders were really out to destroy my country and destroy my home and my family

But Saddam's government was not legitimate.

And US forces are not out to destroy Iraq , nor are they out to destroy the homes of Iraqis.

So your comparison is junk

And I would not be fighting against elections like the insurgents are.

Nor would I participate or support the mideast revolutionary agenda that Saddam engaged in.

And again the if the insurgents are fighting for their homes then why are they targeting other ethnic groups?

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You brought this here to attack me. Do you have the courage to answer it honestly?

I answered it honestly.

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I use that word - "honestly" - in its losest sense here. Few of us expect anything close to it from you, not from your behavior around here. On this very thread, we have seen you backtrack with "Let me correct that" and yet you continue the lie that I ever called Cheney a bigot.

You said bigotry was as excuse for you being no peaceful your post against Cheny was none peaceful. So where is the evidence than Cheny is a bigot. What is your excuse for your post?

I got one you are a fake peace activist.

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You, sir, are the greatest liar who ever came around these Forums. I'm not a perfect guy myself about quoting stuff out of context, but your continued insistence that I said the thing you claim I have about the VP shows exactly what you are all about here.

No Bob you are the king of Slander and Hypocricy and you also try to bribe posters.

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And what you are about is not anything like what is true.

what you are about is being disingenuous, engaging in slander, hypocrisy and bribing posters.

The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:01 am Post subject:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

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Just as long as you quit drinking and posting.

Thing is, I could be 125 sheets to wind and provide a better post than you do any given day when you are stone cold sober - witness your last post, where you couldn't even figure out how the quote function works.

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Did you ever try AA?

Aw, Joo, come on out with me to a pochang macha and let me improve your life, if even for one evening.

Shows you are desperate and backed into a corner when you resort to this - and you want to call me the "King of Slander?"

Then tell us again about why you yourself have not put on a uniform and enlisted in Bush's War - you gonna tell that sad story about a skin condition that made the MDs reject you? Try and sign up again, and they just might take you, as I hear they are getting desperate.

(You deleted your own posts from that thread from a couple of years ago, but the details remainedin other people's quotes of you for quite some time, and too bad about that, eh? Still, despite the sad little stories that make up your own life, you are free to attack others for the goofiest kind of crap, and crap that makes yourself look stupid by doing so.}

Sad, sick little puppy.

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Depends

Criminently, and didn't I predict this ... ?

The word "depends" does not APPLY in the case of a personal choice of how and when to defend your country against an invading force that plans to stay for a decade or more. Do you need a guy with a Peace Sign for an avatar to tell you something so obvious?

You already know this, and the equivocation you display is just more dishonesty.

Answer the question - say "yes" or say "no." You want to attack someone else with this garbage then you have to do at least that much.

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It's a "yes / no" question, so answers like "It would depend ..." do not count. You have tried to attack me with this, so I will attack you back with the same -

Well you don't see the Kurds or the Shias (other than Sadr) 80% fighting against the US. You explain that?

Say "Yes, I would pull that trigger," or "No, I would not." If you say the latter THEN you can explain how such cowardice indicates love for your country rather than quisling cowardice.

You gave tried to use this to attack me, but you lack the cojones to give a solid and direct reply : If an army walks down your street and shows no intention of leaving, wehat do you do? Do you smile and ask them to stay, or do you pick up a gun?

Answer the question, Joo.

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You said bigotry was as excuse for you being no peaceful your post against Cheny was none peaceful. So where is the evidence than Cheny is a bigot. What is your excuse for your post?

Not what I said. You know it, anyone who read my words knows that you lie. Where is the boxed quote where I said that Chgeney is a bigot? You are a liar, Joo, and I will continue to shout it from the rooftops from every rooftop and any thread that you post on that I feel like doing so. And I will point people directly at this thread so that they casn see it for themselves.

It is true, Joo. You are a liar. And people need to know this.

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Are you claiming that you yourself are less of a bastard than Saddam? After lying continuously about me right here in front of everyone, you claim a moral high ground? You make me laugh.

Everyone in Iraq is fighting for their own piece of the pie, anyone can see that. The Kurds and the Shiaas have decided that siding with the Occupation in the short run will help them. It just might, who knows. I never called anyone a coward or a traitor - um, except you, of course, you who still don't have the balls to admit you have lied about what I have said right here in this thread about Dick Cheney where anyone can see that what I did say is not he slightest bit similar, and of course you support torture when done by the US and think the treason-monger Karl Rove is worth defending ...

You need to defend yourself against the heinous acts of logic and moral turpitude you show us here. You need to do that, but we all know you will not. Tomorrow you will arrive with fresh attacks instead of lucid and clear speech ... how can you claim to love your country when you answer a question about foreign troops occupying your home town with a sentence that starts with "Depends on ..."

You are not a good and true American. You cause me great shame simply by claiming you are from the same country as I am.

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quote]You will say that all of this defends the insurgents, but hell you say, I am defending the right of any human being to defend their homeland against an invading force. Will you oppose such an notion? How will you defend it without eliminating the same right of our own Americans to do nothing less were it to happen to us?

Tell us why the Kurds and Shia [...]

You forgot to answer the question, Joo. Do you defend the right of a human being to defend their homeland against foreign invasion? Why would you possibly oppose such a thing? Do you therefore think The Patriot Act is illigitimate if it claims to do the same thing for America?

Answer the question. You brought this here, and you were so sure it would make me look bad, but I have responed honestly and with directness - and you have evaded, and not gone near the core questions I asked you, questions I asked you directly. It's understandable, and I predicted you would do exactly this. If you were to respond with honsty, you would display to all how bankrupt your opinions are and how very evil are the motives behind them.

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Answer the question, Joo. Would you pull that trigger if it was your town and the army had no intention of leaving, as we now know Bush's army does not intend to leave?

Tell us why the Kurds [...]

What gives the Sunnis the right to [...]

Besides I would be happy to be free of a fascist like Saddam.

I believe the Iraqi people are happy to be free of Saddam, and they will be even more happy to be free of Bush and Rumsfeld ... still, why not answer the question : would you pull the trigger and kill a soldier of an invading army marching through the main street of your home town?

This does not seem to be hard question for most people - I ask them, and they say, sure, especially if I was under cover and would not be found.

Why won't YOU answer it?

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Furthermore your analogy is inaccurate

I would fight for my country if my government was legitimate, and if the invaders were really out to destroy my country and destroy my home and my family

But Saddam's government was not legitimate.

And if the "liberators" later declared themselves openly to be OCCUPPIERS who had no intention of leaving?

Answer the question, Joo. Would you pull the trigger and kill a soldier of an invading force in your home town? If you say "No" (and so far this is what yhou have said) then you are not a patriotic citizen of the country you claim to love - or else you are liar.

But we already KNOW you are a liar.

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You brought this here to attack me. Do you have the courage to answer it honestly?

I answered it honestly.

You make me laugh. This, here, is the biggest lie you have so far told.

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You said bigotry was as excuse for you being no peaceful your post against Cheny was none peaceful. So where is the evidence than Cheny is a bigot. What is your excuse for your post?

I said no such thing. I said I am not a peaceful man. I said that bigotry and a few other things cause unrest within me. (Real bigotry, Joo, not the trumped-up falseness you bring around.) People who lie about others make me unpeaceful, which of course means YOU.

You want me to be "peaceful," yes, I think so - and that will allow your lies to go unchallenged. Dream on.

But I never said that Cheney is a bigot - he could BE one for all I know, but I never said it. You know this, and you know that what you have said several times now is a lie. You need to apologize to all of us for your lies, Joo.

Yoiu need to do that. You need to to us all : I'm sorry. I know that what I said was untrue, and I kjnew it at the time. I told lies, and I'm sorry I did that.

WHEN will you find the courage to do this, Joo?

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:47 pm Post subject:

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you aren't worth the effort.

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Shows you are desperate and backed into a corner when you resort to this - and you want to call me the "King of Slander?"

but you are the king of slander.

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Sad, sick little puppy.

Bob ain't you be the combination of night of drinking , cigarettes , old cheap side dishes , vomit , teeth that haven't been brushed and blood shot eyes?

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Criminently, and didn't I predict this ...

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so what ?

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The word "depends" does not APPLY in the case of a personal choice of how and when to defend your country against an invading force that plans to stay for a decade or more. Do you need a guy with a Peace Sign for an avatar to tell you something so obvious?

They are not defending their country , they are trying to conquer Iraq casue they can't win elections.

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You already know this, and the equivocation you display is just more dishonesty.

no that is why they fight . Why aren't the Kurds fighting?

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Answer the question - say "yes" or say "no." You want to attack someone else with this garbage then you have to do at least that much.

but it is that kind of question.

Futhermore I would never fight for the Bathist ideals. and I would not figtht against elections.

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Say "Yes, I would pull that trigger," or "No, I would not." If you say the latter THEN you can explain how such cowardice indicates love for your country rather than quisling cowardice.

It is not that kind of question.

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You gave tried to use this to attack me, but you lack the cojones to give a solid and direct reply : If an army walks down your street and shows no intention of leaving, wehat do you do? Do you smile and ask them to stay, or do you pick up a gun?

again why aren't the Kurds fighting against the US?

Indeed the majority of Iraqis aren't fighting against the US.

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Answer the question, Joo.

I did answer the question. Just cause you don't like the answer doesn't mean much.

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that is exactly what you said.

You said that you are not peaceful when you see bigotry . Well your post was not peaceful. You said bigotry was an excuse for a post that is not peaceful so where is your excuse you fake peace activist?

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It is true, Joo. You are a liar. And people need to know this.

It is true that you are a liar and the king of slander and hypocrisy . and it is also true that you try to bribe posters.

After lying continuously about me right here in front of everyone, you claim a moral high ground? You make me laugh. [[/quote]

The fact is the Kurds aren't fighting you explain that?

Saddams' govt was legitmate and the US isn't invading to destroy the homes of Iraqis so your analogy doesn't work.

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Everyone in Iraq is fighting for their own piece of the pie, anyone can see that.

NO the Kurds would except either a representative Iraq or independence.

The Shias want an representative Iraq.

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The Kurds and the Shiaas have decided that siding with the Occupation in the short run will help them.

That is 80% of the population.

Only the Sunni middle is fighting against elections. and yet at the same time the Sunni middle unlike the Kurds doens't wan't independence either cause they don't have any oil in their area.

The Sunni middle is different from the Shia and the Kurds in that way.

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you who still don't have the balls to admit you have lied about what I have said right here in this thread about Dick Cheney

the fact is you said that bigotry was an excuse for you not being peaceful . Your post wasn't peaceful. So what is your excuse for you non peaceful post you fake peace activist

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where anyone can see that what I did say is not he slightest bit similar,

that is exactly what you said. and it shows you to be a fake peace activist.

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\and of course you support torture when done by the US

well first keeping Al Qaida from sleeping isn't torture.

And if the US wins in means less torture anyway because the enemy would do worse if they won.

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hink the treason-monger Karl Rove is worth defending ...

actually I didn't defend him and I don't know all the facts. But it is is clear that Joe Wilson didn't tell the truth

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You need to defend yourself against the heinous acts of logic and moral turpitude you show us here. You need to do that, but we all know you will not. Tomorrow you will arrive with fresh attacks instead of lucid and clear speech ... how can you claim to love your country when you answer a question about foreign troops occupying your home town with a sentence that starts with "Depends on ..."

You are not anyone to tell anyone what they need to do.

The fact is that the Kurds and the Shias aren't fighting against the US explain why they aren't?

You sound just like your vile bathist bloger riverbend.

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You are not a good and true American. You cause me great shame simply by claiming you are from the same country as I am.

You are worried that the US is too powerful , and you think that any strategic gains the US makes in Iraq are illegitmate and must be returned, and you condemn the US for its actions but you refuse to condemn the insurgents for their war.

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Answer the question. You brought this here, and you were so sure it would make me look bad, but I have responed honestly and with directness - and you have evaded, and not gone near the core questions I asked you, questions I asked you directly. It's understandable, and I predicted you would do exactly this. If you were to respond with honsty, you would display to all how bankrupt your opinions are and how very evil are the motives behind them.

that is the answer , just cause you don't like it doesn't mean much.

The king of slander and hypocrisy who is a fan of his subversive fascist drinking buddycomplains about evil motives. Rolling Eyes

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then why are the Kurds not fighting against the US?

would fight for my country if my government was legitimate, and if the invaders were really out to destroy my country and destroy my home and my family

But Saddam's government was not legitimate.

And US forces are not out to destroy Iraq , nor are they out to destroy the homes of Iraqis.

So your comparison is junk

And I would not be fighting against elections like the insurgents are.

Nor would I participate or support the mideast revolutionary agenda that Saddam engaged in.

And again the if the insurgents are fighting for their homes then why are they targeting other ethnic groups?

Just cause you don't like the anwer doesn't mean much.

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This does not seem to be hard question for most people - I ask them, and they say, sure, especially if I was under cover and would not be found.

Again the answer is the answer.

Now explain why the insurgents are trying to stop elections?

Why are they targeting other ethnic groups?

If they just want the US out of their towns then why don't they ask for independence?

What gives them the right to tell the rest of Iraq's population what to do?

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Why won't YOU answer it?

I answer it just cause you don't like the answer doesn't mean much.

[quote]Furthermore your analogy is inaccurate

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And if the "liberators" later declared themselves openly to be OCCUPPIERS who had no intention of leaving?

Tell us why the Kurds aren't fighting?

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Answer the question, Joo. Would you pull the trigger and kill a soldier of an invading force in your home town? If you say "No" (and so far this is what yhou have said) then you are not a patriotic citizen of the country you claim to love - or else you are liar.

You don't make the rules here . I would do as the Kurds are doing

And I would never fight for the Bathist revolution and I would not fight against elections.

Furthermore you said that those who are not taking up arns are cowards and traitors ? But the Kurds and the Shias aren't taking up arms now explain why they aren't are they traitors and cowards?

What you said was nonsense wasn't it?

As I have said you sound just like your bathist bloger riverbend.

And lets get back to it. You condemn the US for its actions but you don't condemn the insurgents for their war.

But for 10- 20 years Bathists , Khomenists and those that love Bin Laden have been enagaging in war against the US and yet you condemn the US for going to war against them,.

You got it wrong Bob their war is illegitmate , they don't have a right to their war. So why do you condemn the US for trying to force them to stop it?

You condemn the US for its actions (which are to force them to give up their war) but you refuse to condemn the insurgents.

But we know the answer to this one . It seems according the Bobster that the US has no right to force mideast regimes to stop teaching hate , funding Al Qaida , inciting violence and planning terror. Well Sorry Bob.

And of course it seems that Bob is worried that the US might get the power to do so. Well sorry Bob.

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But we already KNOW you are a liar.

We know you are the king of slander and we know you like to bribe posters.

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You make me laugh. This, here, is the biggest lie you have so far told.

Just cause the king of slander says so? Go bribe a poster.

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NO you are not peaceful , you condemn the actions of the US but you refuse to condemn the actions of the insurgents. And you think it is funny to wish for the death of the VP but you get upset when someone calls Castro a Jerk.

And of couse you defend bigots all the time like that subversive fascist buddy of yours, not only cause he is your friend but also cause you are a radical.

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You want me to be "peaceful," yes, I think so - and that will allow your lies to go unchallenged. Dream on.

There were no lies Bob , and you are a fake peace activist.

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But I never said that Cheney is a bigot - he could BE one for all I know, but I never said it. You know this, and you know that what you have said several times now is a lie. You need to apologize to all of us for your lies, Joo.

Just cause you don't like it?

fact is that you peace activist think it is funny when someone wishes the VP dead .

You said that bigotry is an excuse of that action.

So what was your excuse mr peace activist?

Now go worry that the US is too powerful. Then go try to bribe a poster.

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Yoiu need to do that. You need to to us all : I'm sorry. I know that what I said was untrue, and I kjnew it at the time. I told lies, and I'm sorry I did that.

I don't need to do anything of the kind. I told the truth about you . And you have been shown to be a fake peace activist and a radical.

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WHEN will you find the courage to do this, Joo

You seem to be having trouble - why don' t you go out and bribe a poster? You need the help.

The Bobster

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It is not that kind of question.

Of course, it is. It is nothing but that.

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I did answer the question. Just cause you don't like the answer doesn't mean much.

It's true I don't like the answer.

The only conclusion I can draw is that if you had a chance to shoot a member of an invading army and do so undetected, do so while wearing civilian clothing so that you clould escape and blend in and not be caught and then be able to do the same thing tomorrow - if you could take that shot ... then it appears to me that you would decline the opportunity.

I don't know how in the world you can claim to love your country if this is the extent of your commitment to the people you claim to love ... I don't know how or why any of us who DO love America ought to listen to a single word you say, not about anything.

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that is exactly what you said.

If so, there would be no problem providing the quote. You know you are a liar and so does everryone else here. Joo.

You have already backtracked from "You oppose the US" to "You oppose the US war" to "You oppose the actions" if this administration - you are slowly but surely getting closer to what is true - and yet, if you are not a congenital liar, then why do you need to backed iinto a corner and forced to constantly amend yourself.

The fact is, though, that you are a liar. I never said the things about the VP that you claim here. I never said anything like it and you continue to assert what is obviously untrue, and I am happy that you chose this course because anyone who reads you can see exactly what you are all about.

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You are not anyone to tell anyone what they need to do.

It was friendly advice, but the truth is, I hope you continue telling lie after lie after lie because we are so tired of you and tired of watching your lies, and I look forward to being able to link to this thread in any future argument just so people can see how easily and in what a silly fashion you do lie.

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Again the answer is the answer.

The "answer" is that you CLAIM you would not oppose an army invading your hometown with intent to set up military bases over the long term -you would not pick up a gun if the gun were lying next to you and you could get away clean - and if this is true then you do not love your country, and if it is false, then you are a liar.

But we know that you are a liar because you have shown it with your statements about cheny - now now we also know you are a traitor and a coward to your homland.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

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Of course, it is. It is nothing but that.

Just cause a radical like you says so doesn't mean anything. If it did then you could explain why the Kurds aren't fighting.

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It's true I don't like the answer.

that is cause there is more than one answer otherwise explain why the kurds aren't fighting,

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The only conclusion I can draw is that if you had a chance to shoot a member of an invading army and do so undetected, do so while wearing civilian clothing so that you clould escape and blend in and not be caught and then be able to do the same thing tomorrow - if you could take that shot ... then it appears to me that you would decline the opportunity.

However fighing for Bathism isn't legitimate

fighting against elections isn't legitimate.

targeting other ethnic groups isn't legitimate

Nor is the Bathist revolutionary agenda .

What gives Sunnis in Baghadad the right to tell Kurds in Northern Iraq not to allow US forces?

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I don't know how in the world you can claim to love your country if this is the extent of your commitment to the people you claim to love ... I don't know how or why any of us who DO love America ought to listen to a single word you say, not about anything.

then why aren't the Kurds fighting.

You are echoing the same nonsense that your Bathist blogger says.

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If so, there would be no problem providing the quote. You know you are a liar and so does everryone else here. Joo.

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Or when was I peaceful when I saw bigotry or hate (not he lame excuse for it you conjure up to attack your enemies, Joo, I mean real thing) and when did I claim to be an activist of any kind?

Bobster says he that he is not peaceful when he sees bigotry.

That is his excuse for posts that are not peaceful.

well then show that Cheny is a bigot.

Bobster is a liar!

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If so, there would be no problem providing the quote. You know you are a liar and so does everryone else here. Joo.

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Or when was I peaceful when I saw bigotry or hate (not he lame excuse for it you conjure up to attack your enemies, Joo, I mean real thing) and when did I claim to be an activist of any kind?

Bobster says he that he is not peaceful when he sees bigotry.

That is his excuse for posts that are not peaceful.

well then show that Cheny is a bigot.

Bobster is a liar!

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You have already backtracked from "You oppose the US" to "You oppose the US war" to "You oppose the actions" if this administration - you are slowly but surely getting closer to what is true - and yet, if you are not a congenital liar, then why do you need to backed iinto a corner and forced to constantly amend yourself.

The fact is that you condemn the US for its actions but you refuse to condemn the insurgents for their war.

Just like you are worried that the US is too powerful.

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The fact is, though, that you are a liar. I never said the things about the VP that you claim here. I never said anything like it and you continue to assert what is obviously untrue, and I am happy that you chose this course because anyone who reads you can see exactly what you are all about.

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Or when was I peaceful when I saw bigotry or hate (not he lame excuse for it you conjure up to attack your enemies, Joo, I mean real thing) and when did I claim to be an activist of any kind?

Bobster says he that he is not peaceful when he sees bigotry.

That is his excuse for posts that are not peaceful.

well then show that Cheny is a bigot.

Bobster is a liar!

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There was no lie and I showed that you are a fake peace activist.

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Then why aren't the Kurds fighting? Are they cowards? Why have the Shia gone along with the US?

That is the same argument Riverbend the Bathist makes.

That is also the same arguement that North Korea makes too.

They are fighting to liberate thekorean peninsula from the occupiers.

The insurgents don't have a right to tell the rest of Iraq what to do.

IF they want the US out then they should ask for independence,

And you forget that there is an elected Iraqi government which is far more legitimate than the one Saddam ran , and that government has said the US can stay.

If the insurgents want the US to leave then let them win an election. They can't so they turn to terror.

I would do as the Kurds are doing

And I would never fight for the Bathist revolution and I would not fight against elections.

Furthermore you said that those who are not taking up arns are cowards and traitors ? But the Kurds and the Shias aren't taking up arms now explain why they aren't are they traitors and cowards?

What you said was nonsense wasn't it?

As I have said you sound just like your bathist bloger riverbend.

And lets get back to it. You condemn the US for its actions but you don't condemn the insurgents for their war.

But for 10- 20 years Bathists , Khomenists and those that love Bin Laden have been enagaging in war against the US and yet you condemn the US for going to war against them,.

You got it wrong Bob their war is illegitmate , they don't have a right to their war. So why do you condemn the US for trying to force them to stop it?

You condemn the US for its actions (which are to force them to give up their war) but you refuse to condemn the insurgents.

But we know the answer to this one . It seems according the Bobster that the US has no right to force mideast regimes to stop teaching hate , funding Al Qaida , inciting violence and planning terror. Well Sorry Bob.

And of course it seems that Bob is worried that the US might get the power to do so. Well sorry Bob.

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But we know that you are a liar because you have shown it with your statements about cheny - now now we also know you are a traitor and a coward to your homland.

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Or when was I peaceful when I saw bigotry or hate (not he lame excuse for it you conjure up to attack your enemies, Joo, I mean real thing) and when did I claim to be an activist of any kind?

Bobster says he that he is not peaceful when he sees bigotry.

That is his excuse for posts that are not peaceful.

well then show that Cheny is a bigot.

The Bobster is dishonest!

And now lets return to it.

The insurgents don't represent Iraq they couldn't win the elections.

They don't have a right to tell the rest of Iraq what to do.

And now again:

You condemn the US for its actions but you don't condemn the insurgents for their war.

But for 10- 20 years Bathists , Khomenists and those that love Bin Laden have been enagaging in war against the US and yet you condemn the US for going to war against them,.

You got it wrong Bob their war is illegitmate , they don't have a right to their war. So why do you condemn the US for trying to force them to stop it?

You condemn the US for its actions (which are to force them to give up their war) but you refuse to condemn the insurgents.

But we know the answer to this one . It seems according the Bobster that the US has no right to force mideast regimes to stop teaching hate , funding Al Qaida , inciting violence and planning terror. Well Sorry Bob.

And of course it seems that Bob is worried that the US might get the power to do so. Well sorry Bob.

Bob you are not only a radical but an apologist for the Bathists. Just like his favorite bathist blogger.

Bobster condemns the US for its actions but he refuses to condemn the insurgents for their war.

Peace means no war.

Bobster a fake peace activist.

Now go try and bribe a poster

The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003

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Of course, it is. It is nothing but that.

Just cause a radical like you says so doesn't mean anything. If it did then you could explain why the Kurds aren't fighting.

Ah, but I already addressed that. The Kurds have decided that their best shot is to allign themselves with the folks who who oeverthrew a guy who persecuted them for a long time - it's logical that they would do so, and I'm not sure what your point is. Their homes and villages are not being bombed and plundered by Occupation Forces, so it was probably a good choice they made. The Kurds have never considered themselves part of any nation called Iraq, so no one can accuse their actions as being treason against their countrymen.

And it seems you would make the same choice - apparently you see this route as the best one to take when an invading army marches inbto your town ... gald we made that clear.

Yes, VERY glad to know just what kind of "patriot" you are.

Please, though - NEVER ever try to call yourself a patriot to your country or even imply such a thing.

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It's true I don't like the answer.

that is cause there is more than one answer otherwise explain why the kurds aren't fighting,

The Kurds are hoping for an eventual independent Kurdistan. If they get it they will want parts of the nation of Turkey as well, which is a big reason why Turkey has not given much morer than minimal support to the war effort - Bush has no intention of letting the Kurd have what they want, though, so they are being used. The Kurdish leaders do know, however, trhat even if they don't get their own homeland they are better off than ever were before if they get only a semi-autonymous region.

I alluded to a lot of this before. It has so little to do with a website that makes a joke about Dick Cheney (and it's all very obvious, as well) so there seemed very little reason to go into this much detail.

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However fighing for Bathism isn't legitimate (...)

Whatever, dude, the fact remains is that you have had many opportunities to say how vociferously you would fight against an occupying army that intends to stay for decades in iyour homeland, not as "liberators" but as conquerors ... and you have given every indication that you would collaborate with the foreces arrayed against the rest of us who want freedom, and take whatever advantage you could get from that.

If you are half the patriot you claim to be, you would say that you prefer your own death to seeing your nation enslaved due to your own inaction. Or you would at least say that you would pick up a gun if you could take a shot and get away clean.

Again, only one conclusion : either you are not a patriot, or what you have said here is as insincere as most of what you say.

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If so, there would be no problem providing the quote. You know you are a liar and so does everryone else here. Joo.

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Or when was I peaceful when I saw bigotry or hate (not he lame excuse for it you conjure up to attack your enemies, Joo, I mean real thing) and when did I claim to be an activist of any kind?

Once again, my fine man, I never claimed to be peaceful, and bigotry is only one of several things that get me riled. And in order to call me a "fake" peace activist, you will first have to show a) I am any kind of activist at all, and b) that peace activists are themselves peaceful by nature. It's just more bad logic, I'm afraid, and of course the intent is entirely to attack, not at all to inform ... again, you are tiresome and predictable.

And I've said nothing terribly hateful or even very critical of Cheney on this thread, aside from noting that he fathered a child just to get a draft deferment. The website I posted here was for purposes of humor - you are free to withold laughter should you desire, but don't insult us all by claiming I have said things which I have not ...

Oh, wait, I forgot - that's mostly what you do around here, isn't it?

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Bobster says he that he is not peaceful when he sees bigotry.

That is his excuse for posts that are not peaceful.

Not what I said. You have lied here many times and asserted I have said things about the VP that I never did say. You need to apologize for that. You need to do it for you, not for me.

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The fact is that you condemn the US for its actions but you refuse to condemn the insurgents for their war.

And once again, you are wrong. I have condemend the insurgents on several occasions. I have a right as an American to condemn the actions of my own govt to exactly the same extent. In fact, I not have the right to do so, I have the responsiblity that says I ought to.

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Furthermore you said that those who are not taking up arns are cowards and traitors ?

The omission of block quotes to show where I ever said such a thing is so glaring as to be ludicrous. Your medacity is boundless - in short, I never said that or anything like it.

Not only is 99% opf what you say completely false, but you are repetitive and boring - obviously, you have dozens of sentences programmed and ready to simply clipboard in whenever I come around, and the last post indicates that you are not even aware of when you put the same dumb stuff in several times ...

I have no more time for you.

The Man known as The Man

Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:26 pm Post subject:

Go to Canada. Gay marriage. Think about it

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:00 am Post subject:

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well then 80% more or less of Iraq has decided not to fight.

Furthermore the sunni areas would not be attacked if they were not fighting .

and the Sunnis are attacking outside their areas what gives them the right to do so?

and what gives them the right fight against elections?

They have a right to ask for independence but they don't have a right to tell the rest of Iraq what to do.

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And it seems you would make the same choice - apparently you see this route as the best one to take when an invading army marches inbto your town ... gald we made that clear.

Sunnis are attacking outside their areas what gives them the right to do so?

and what gives them the right fight against elections?

They have a right to ask for independence but they don't have a right to tell the rest of Iraq what to do.

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Yes, VERY glad to know just what kind of "patriot" you are.

Please, though - NEVER ever try to call yourself a patriot to your country or even imply such a thing.

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Sunnis are attacking outside their areas what gives them the right to do so?

and what gives them the right fight against elections?

They have a right to ask for independence but they don't have a right to tell the rest of Iraq what to do.

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Futhermore Bob while you refuse to condemn the insurgents for their war you condemn the US for its actions.

But for 10- 20 years Bathists , Khomenists and those that love Bin Laden have been enagaging in war against the US and yet you condemn the US for going to war against them,.

You got it wrong Bob their war is illegitmate , they don't have a right to their war. So why do you condemn the US for trying to force them to stop it?

You condemn the US for its actions (which are to force them to give up their war) but you refuse to condemn the insurgents.

But we know the answer to this one . It seems according the Bobster that the US has no right to force mideast regimes to stop teaching hate , funding Al Qaida , inciting violence and planning terror. Well Sorry Bob.

And of course it seems that Bob is worried that the US might get the power to do so. Well sorry Bob.

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Most US bases if not all would be outside the Sunni area .

The Kurds want them. What gives the insurgents the right to tell them what do do?

The Iraqi govt has given the US permission to do so.

What gives them the right to tell the Iraqi goverment what to do?

Furthermore as I said before

would fight for my country if my government was legitimate, and if the invaders were really out to destroy my country and destroy my home and my family

But Saddam's government was not legitimate.

And US forces are not out to destroy Iraq , nor are they out to destroy the homes of Iraqis.

So your comparison is junk

And I would not be fighting against elections like the insurgents are.

Nor would I participate or support the mideast revolutionary agenda that Saddam engaged in.

And again the if the insurgents are fighting for their homes then why are they targeting other ethnic groups?

Just cause you don't like the anwer doesn't mean much.

The fact is that while Bob refuses to condemn the insurgents he condemns the US for its actions. But there would be no war if the Saddam and Al Qaida & co hadn't engaged in their war.

It is not enslaving Iraq any more than the US invading Japan during WW II was.

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Again, only one conclusion : either you are not a patriot, or what you have said here is as insincere as most of what you say.

It is different because Saddam's government was illegitimate .

and most Iraqis don't support the insurgents or their war.

And the Iraqi government doesn't support their war.

What gives the insurgents the right to tell the rest of Iraq what to do?

What gives them the right to stop elections and target other ethnic groups?"

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If so, there would be no problem providing the quote. You know you are a liar and so does everryone else here. Joo.

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the fact is that you said it was an excuse for you not to be peaceful.

The fact is that your post wasn't peaceful

and while you condemn the US for its actions you refuse to condemn the insurgents for theirs.

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And I've said nothing terribly hateful or even very critical of Cheney on this thread, aside from noting that he fathered a child just to get a draft deferment. The website I posted here was for purposes of humor - you are free to withold laughter should you desire, but don't insult us all by claiming I have said things which I have not ...

the fact is that you said you have an avatar that says real men like peace but your post wasn't peaceful

and you condemn the US for its action but refuse to condemn the insurgents for their actions.

Why do you condemn the US then? For 10-20 years Bathsits and Khomenists and those that like Bin Laden have been engaging in war against the US - yet you feel the US has no right to hit back.

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Oh, wait, I forgot - that's mostly what you do around here, isn't it?

the fact is that you object to the US actions but you dont' condemn the actions of thsoe fighting against the US.

You wish for the death of the VP or make a joke about it but you get upset when someone calls Castro a Jerk.

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Not what I said. You have lied here many times and asserted I have said things about the VP that I never did say. You need to apologize for that. You need to do it for you, not for me.

the fact is that you said that bigotry is an excuse for you not being peaceful

Your post was not peaceful .

Now show that you have an excuse to make a joke about the death of the VP Mr. "real men prefer peace"

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when did you condemn the insurgents ?

and anyway you condemn the US for its actions but their would be no war if Saddam Bin Laden and those that follow Khomeni hadnt' been engaging in war against the US for a long time.

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The omission of block quotes to show where I ever said such a thing is so glaring as to be ludicrous. Your medacity is boundless - in short, I never said that or anything like it.

No the quote told it like it is. You said bigotry was an exuse for you not to be peaceful but you have not shown any bigotry by the VP even though you think it is funny that someone wishes him dead.

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Not only is 99% opf what you say completely false, but you are repetitive and boring - obviously, you have dozens of sentences programmed and ready to simply clipboard in whenever I come around, and the last post indicates that you are not even aware of when you put the same dumb stuff in several times ...

No what I said is true , And what I post is accurate about you. There is no need for me to re-write what already makes the point about you.

I have no more time for you.

The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:17 am Post subject:

The Man known as The Man wrote:

Go to Canada.

Gay marriage.

Think about it

As monty pythonish as your post is, it is leagues ahead of anything Joo Rhipp has said here ... the only witty response I can come up with is that my girlfrend would object to gay marriage in our case, as it would require that one of us undergo lengthy and expensive surgery in order to make it possible.

Thanks for the kind thoughts, anyway.

Joo Rhipp Gwa Rhhee

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Futhermore Bob while you refuse to condemn the insurgents for their war you condemn the US for its actions.

Once more, I have condemned the insurgents many times. I condemn Bush more often because he represents me in the eyes of the world and, I believe, his myopia is doing harm to my country and will do more in the future.

And you are reverting to falsehoods again - I condemn the actions of THIS ADMINISTRATION, and I do not condemn America. Never have, never will. I love my country, whereas you will not even pick up a gun to shoot an invading soldier, not even if you could get away clean to do it again tomorrow ... do NOT try to paint yourself as a greater lover of our country on that basis, because you cannot win that argument.

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You got it wrong Bob their war is illegitmate , they don't have a right to their war.

No one in Iraq or connected in to Iraq in any major way was involved in any attack against my country. You are aware - very much so - of whose war was "illigitimate." It was Bush's War, the one which our kids are fighting and perishing in now. (I notice YOU aren't there, though ... how odd that is.) Did Iraq attack our country? Did Saddam send those planes inot the WTC?

We both know the answer to that.

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And US forces are not out to destroy Iraq , nor are they out to destroy the homes of Iraqis.

Never said any such thing. The homes of Iraqis are just an annoyance to their goal of controlling the country so as to be able to threaten and assert control of a natural resource that will be in increasingly short supply as countries like China and India industrialize themselves enough to be able to pay for it at the same rates we in the US do so easlily.

Yeah, we are talking about oil, aren't we? But then, Bush has allways denied that this whole thing had anything to do with oil. Just one more lie, not very much dissimilar to the ones you present to us here.

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It is not enslaving Iraq any more than the US invading Japan during WW II was.

Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Iraq did not attack the World Trade Center. Talk about your stupid comparisons ...

Yeah, I'm gonna enjoy linking to this thread in the future to display the dumb stuff you say. I appreciate this very much, and thank you, Joo.

Game, set and match.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

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Once more, I have condemned the insurgents many times

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When ?

And you don't condenm their war

It is not legitimate to attack other ethnic groups.

It is not legitimate to try to stop elections cause your group can't win.

It is not legitimate to fight for the bathist geo political/ regional agenda.

It is not legitimate to go against the wishes of the legitimate Iraqi government which is not only more legitimate and representative than the previous Iraqi government but more legitimate and representative than most governments in the middle.

If the insurgents were fighting for their homes and families they would not do these things.

The insurgents are not fighting for their homes and families (as you try to spin it) , they are fighting to rule Iraq.

The insurgents ' war in not legitimate.

Furthermore the US was never out to get their homes and their families , nor was the US out to plunder Iraq as you claim.

The US didn't go into Iraq to steal Iraq's oil they went into Iraq to force Bathists , Khomeni lovers and Bin Laden followers to give up their war.

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I condemn Bush more often because he represents me in the eyes of the world and, I believe, his myopia is doing harm to my country and will do more in the future.

then why do you think it is a bad thing for the US to be powerful enough to force mideast regimes to crush Al Qaida?

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And you are reverting to falsehoods again - I condemn the actions of THIS ADMINISTRATION, and I do not condemn America. Never have, never will. I love my country, whereas you will not even pick up a gun to shoot an invading soldier, not even if you could get away clean to do it again tomorrow ... do NOT try to paint yourself as a greater lover of our country on that basis, because you cannot win that argument.

again Bob

I would fight for my country if my government was legitimate, and if the invaders were really out to destroy my country and destroy my home and my family

But Saddam's government was not legitimate.

And US forces are not out to destroy Iraq , nor are they out to destroy the homes of Iraqis.

So your comparison is worthless

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No one in Iraq or connected in to Iraq in any major way was involved in any attack against my country

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Saddam shot as US planes , he supported terror. He tried to kill a US president.

Those were all illegitimate acts. Based on those acts alone the US had a right to take down Saddam .

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Moore asserts that Iraq under Saddam had never attacked or killed or even threatened (his words) any American. I never quite know whether Moore is as ignorant as he looks, or even if that would be humanly possible. Baghdad was for years the official, undisguised home address of Abu Nidal, then the most-wanted gangster in the world, who had been sentenced to death even by the PLO and had blown up airports in Vienna* and Rome. Baghdad was the safe house for the man whose "operation" murdered Leon Klinghoffer. Saddam boasted publicly of his financial sponsorship of suicide bombers in Israel. (Quite a few Americans of all denominations walk the streets of Jerusalem.) In 1991, a large number of Western hostages were taken by the hideous Iraqi invasion of Kuwait and held in terrible conditions for a long time. After that same invasion was repelled—Saddam having killed quite a few Americans and Egyptians and Syrians and Brits in the meantime and having threatened to kill many more—the Iraqi secret police were caught trying to murder former President Bush during his visit to Kuwait. Never mind whether his son should take that personally. (Though why should he not?) Should you and I not resent any foreign dictatorship that attempts to kill one of our retired chief executives? (President Clinton certainly took it that way: He ordered the destruction by cruise missiles of the Baathist "security" headquarters.) Iraqi forces fired, every day, for 10 years, on the aircraft that patrolled the no-fly zones and staved off further genocide in the north and south of the country. In 1993, a certain Mr. Yasin helped mix the chemicals for the bomb at the World Trade Center and then skipped to Iraq, where he remained a guest of the state until the overthrow of Saddam. In 2001, Saddam's regime was the only one in the region that openly celebrated the attacks on New York and Washington and described them as just the beginning of a larger revenge. Its official media regularly spewed out a stream of anti-Semitic incitement. I think one might describe that as "threatening," even if one was narrow enough to think that anti-Semitism only menaces Jews. And it was after, and not before, the 9/11 attacks that Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi moved from Afghanistan to Baghdad and began to plan his now very open and lethal design for a holy and ethnic civil war. On Dec. 1, 2003, the New York Times reported—and the David Kay report had established—that Saddam had been secretly negotiating with the "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-il in a series of secret meetings in Syria, as late as the spring of 2003, to buy a North Korean missile system, and missile-production system, right off the shelf. (This attempt was not uncovered until after the fall of Baghdad, the coalition's presence having meanwhile put an end to the negotiations.)

.http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

He also continued to threaten US interests by theatening Kuwait and other US allies in the region.

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and his threatened attack on Kuwait in 1994. In each case, he took a course of action that we know even his closest advisers considered extremely dangerous.

http://www.travelbrochuregraphics.com/extra/a_last_chance_to_stop_iraq.htm

Based on that the US would have had a right to take down his regime.

Based on the fact that Saddam was in violation of the ceasefire the US would have had the right to take down his regime.

Finalally Saddam taught hate and incited violence and was part of the problem in the mideast .

Based on that the US had the right to take down his regime.

AFter 9-11 the US was not going to let mideast regimes play with matches anymore.

No more inciting violence, no more teaching hate , no more funding Al Qaida and nor more planning terror. No More.

IF mideast regimes and elites want to do that then they deserve whatever the US throws at them and more.

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You are aware - very much so - of whose war was "illigitimate." It was Bush's War,

Why Bob ?

Maybe you think mideast regimes and elites have a right to teach hate , fund Al Qaida , incite violence and plan terror.

Well sorry Bob.

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Did Iraq attack our country? Did Saddam send those planes inot the WTC?

But he did in fact have contacts with Al Qadia that to was an act of war.

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No that would be a illegimate use of war.

but the US did not go into Iraq to steal or control Iraqs oil.

It went into Iraq to force mideast regimes and elites to stop teaching hate, stop planning terror , funding Al Qadia, and inciting violence.

After 9-11 regimes or elites who do that kind of stuff are all fair game.

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Yeah, we are talking about oil, aren't we? But then, Bush has allways denied that this whole thing had anything to do with oil. Just one more lie, not very much dissimilar to the ones you present to us here

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Well the US contained Saddam not so the US could control mideast oil but to prevent Saddam from doing so.

but containment was too costly for the US.

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Containment allows Saddam Hussein to control the political climate of the Middle East. If it serves his interest to provoke a crisis, he can shoot at U.S. planes. He can mobilize his troops near Kuwait. He can support terrorists and destabilize his neighbors. The United States must respond to these provocations.

Worse, containment forces the United States to keep large conventional forces in Saudi Arabia and the rest of the region. That costs much more than money.

The existence of al Qaeda, and the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, are part of the price the United States has paid to contain Saddam Hussein.

The link is clear and direct. Since 1991 the United States has had forces in Saudi Arabia. Those forces are there for one purpose only: to defend the kingdom (and its neighbors) from Iraqi attack. If Saddam Hussein had either fallen from power in 1991 or fulfilled the terms of his cease-fire agreement and disarmed, U.S. forces would have left Saudi Arabia.

But Iraqi defiance forced the United States to stay, and one consequence was dire and direct. Osama bin Laden founded al Qaeda because U.S. forces stayed in Saudi Arabia.

This is the link between Saddam Hussein's defiance of international law and the events of Sept. 11; it is clear and compelling. No Iraqi violations, no Sept. 11.

So that is our cost.

http://www.cfr.org/pub5684/walter_russell_mead/deadlier_than_war.php

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Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. Iraq did not attack the World Trade Center. Talk about your stupid comparisons ...

I will repost this part cause it make the point.

Saddam shot as US planes , he supported terror. He tried to kill a US president.

Those were all illegitimate acts. Based on those acts alone the US had a right to take down Saddam .

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http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723/

He also continued to threaten US interests by theatening Kuwait and other US allies in the region.

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and his threatened attack on Kuwait in 1994. In each case, he took a course of action that we know even his closest advisers considered extremely dangerous.

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Yeah, I'm gonna enjoy linking to this thread in the future to display the dumb stuff you say. I appreciate this very much, and thank you, Joo.

You gotta do what you gotta do , but I doubt it will help you much.

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Game, set and match.

You have to pick yourself off the floor.

No more inciting violence, no more teaching hate , no more funding Al Qaida and nor more planning terror. No More.

IF mideast regimes and elites want to do that then they deserve whatever the US throws at them and much more.

They don't have a right to their war.

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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:38 pm Post subject:

Peace activist 18 times on one page, "fake peace activist" nine times!

The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:08 am Post subject:

I had a little free time tonight, and since this seems to be one of those designated free-fire Bob/Joo threads, I thought i would take a gander at how many blatant falsehoods Joo Rhipp Gwa Rhee has managed to infect this particular thread with - nobody needs to care about this, by the way, but if you are as curious as I was, just notice how many I found in only the first 3 pages.

From Page One :

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Too many left wingers didn't care when Saddam was caught yet they want Cheney dead. Not very peaceful are they?

He was later challenged to point to even one "left-winger" who "didn't care" when Saddam was captured - we could also ask why any of us ought to care, of course - or has wanted Cheney to die and has said so. He declined to do so, and we must surmise that anyone he might point to would be quickly identified as lunatic fringe on par with the hatemongering Aryan Brotherhood types who populate the far reaches of his own end of the spectrum. It was lie, of course, and he knew it, so no credible response could be made.

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We both know who didn't care when Saddam was caught.

It seems to be directed at me. It doesn't say why I ought to have cared, and it doesn't have the balls to say directly what it means to imply - that I am a disloyal American - and again, no evidence is presented for it. The implication contained in it has been described, and that implication is, of course, a lie.

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The fact is that you "real mean prefer peace" condemn the UIS but you refuse to condemn the insurgents

He is aware that I have never condemed the US, but rather that I consistently only argue against the policies of this current administration. He knows also the Bush and his cronies are NOT synonymous with America. He knows this, and that means that what he says is a lie.

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"real mean prefer peace"

He has also managed to misquote my avatar despite having stared it with bloodlust raging through his pupils for going on three years in these forums. It is just too sloppy, even for him - it would appear to be another lie.

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you wish for or make jokes about the death of the VP

I had already given credit for the joke to the website I quoted here, and he knows I made none on my own. My OP specifically addressed the fact that I mean the mean old man no harm. He knows he is lying - it is conscious and deliberate.

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the capture of Saddam didn't make you happy

He fails to give evidence that it made me sad, though this is the clear intention - again, an implication that someone who could care less about something as trivial as this is a disloyal American. It is, of course, a lie.

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you defend Castro

I said a long time ago that Castro is a better man than Joo. This makes him angry, but I still yet believe it to be true. It's not so much a description of Castro's virtues as it is a comment on Joo's lack of them. But again, the statement as it stands is a lie, as it intends to show that someone who does love his country quite a lot is disloyal to it, simply because that sort of character assassination is more fun than a reasoned argument on the basis of facts and issues.

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Cheney is a hate mongering bigot? Prove it

It's the first time he will utter this lie, though he will repeat it many times later, and possibly a few more times after this post. I never said it. It is a lie.

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you seem to want him dead.

Repetition of the lie shown earliler, the same one responded to truthfully - it doesn't matter what people say to this guy he will simply continue the same lie, repeat it often enough and the masses believe it - except no credible thinking people around here believe Joo anymore, of course.

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if you are really interested in being against bigotry and hate then you would be interested in going after Bathists , Kohomeni followers and Bin Laden lovers and subversive fascists.

Bigotry that exists in other countries is the problem of the people who live there, and if I am more concerned about the stuff in my part of the world (and perhaps more particularly among ESL teachers because they are part of my "tribe") and there is nothing wrong with that - he wants to assert something like hypocrisy in this, though there is nothing to it. It is a lie, of course.

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fact is you worry that the US is too powerful

Complete non sequiteur, of course, but I have said many times that I worry that Geo W Bush is too powerful - again he conflates the concepts of America with the Bush administration. He is aware of the untruthfulness of what he is saying, aware because it's an old, old discussion between the two of us. He will continue to lie this way, however - a day without lies is a day without Joo Rhipp, to coin a phrase.

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And you condemn the US but refuse to condemn the insurgents.

Another assertion of anti-Americanism on my part, more conflating the entire nation with the Bush administration - and he is aware that I have condemned the insurgents - he will repeat the lie over and over.

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according to you that the US has no right to force mideast regimes to stop teaching hate

He is aware that I have never said any such thing - though it is true that I think the internal policies of other countries are their own business, and that seems to be the place where logical people begin talking - and once again, the intent is to show me as a disloyal American, even though later in this thread he has declined many opportunities to assert his willingnes to pick up a gun and aim it at a soldier in an army invading and occupying our nation. Nevertheless, he knows it is a lie, and he has said it many times and will do so again.

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you Wish the VP dead or think it is funny

Well, since the OP asserted quite clearly that I don't want him dead, then this is a lie. And since I have clearly said that the site is funny, but just in the way of Monty Python or an SNL sketch, then we can see two lies - and in such a short snippet. How efficient he is - so many lies, and in so little time.

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You seem to support their war.

A lie, and an obvious one. The Jooster here provided a quote to a thread that doesn't any longer exist (proving that he takes up space on his hard drive with very old comments by The Bobster just to use them as attack fodder, but he doesn't give a damn enough to check if the links he posts are active or not) but the funny thing is that the quote he provided said nothing about insurgents, Iraq or Al Queda, but rather spoke of the proper attitude someone who loves his/her country might feel should the prospect of armed occupying armies who present themselves in the streets and towns where they grew up. There was nothing in that quote to support any suspicion that I might support anyone's war at all, simply that a sane person can UNDERSTAND the impulse to want to drive an occupying army from one's own soil - and even though he (oddly enough) uses the qualifier "seems," the intent and the effect is to create and promulgate a lie.

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well let me correct that you condemned the US war but you refuse to condemn the insurgents for their war.

Here he backtracks a little and admits his earlier lies that I ever heaped scorn upon my own country - though he continues lying by asserting what he knows is untrue, which is that I have condemned the insurgents and their indiscriminant killing on numerous occasions, neither have I ever argued the wisdom of such tactics whether by insurgents or the US. By now, the lies will be no surprise, of course.

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Well you condemn the US for its action in Iraq but you won't condemn the insurgent for their war.

Two seconds later, he reverts to earlier lies that I condemn my own country - the guy is amazing, admits an "error." i.e., lie, then says it one more time ... oh dear, can't have even a shred of decency here, can we, so he immediately does the same damn thing. Again. There is just no shame in the man.

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You said that you aren't peaceful when you see bigotry.

So I asked what bigotry has Cheney enaged in to make you not peaceful.

It's the kind of logical error that would be the source of comedy, except that after the disrupted sylogism was pointed out, he persisted and repeated the stuff again - what this means is that he knew the minute he said it that it was not the least bit true, but well, now he is stuck with it and we will hear the same balderdash forever ... what a liar.

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you like to bribe posters.

There was a time when I thought that Joo needed to shore up his credibility with thinking people and suggested he say something in direct and strong opposition to a poster then called Mankind who seriously advocated the slaughter of 10 million muslims in order to "send a message," though at the time the best Joo could come up with was "I would not support that policy." Someone like MR Gwa Rhee here ought not need prodding on something like this, though I have often since seen folks like bigverne and Leslie Cheswick make similar remarks with not a word of comment from him, and one does have to wonder at such selectivity especially when it shows such a clear pattern - well, I sent Joo a pm urging him to speak more strongly against the ideas promoted by Mankind and offered to speeak out myself in opposition to another poster that Joo himself often enjoyed attacking ... this seems to be what he calls a "bribe." I think it is not, and I think he is lying now, but no one who has read his words on this thread so far will expect less than that - of course, none of this is relevant to anything at all, except that Joo will make up and invent ANYthing he feels like - not to promote a case or persuade or even to amuse, but merely to attack personalities when he knows very well he lacks the tools to create a logical argument to support his lame ideas.

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well you condemn the acts of the US but according to you the insurgents are just more or less defending their homes against an invasion.

One more time, he equates the Bush adminstration and the neocons with the US as a whole ... he had earlier backtracked on this, and yet he presents the same lie again. He will do it some more, I wager. No embarassment - a shameless liar, completely concious of what he does.

The rest of Page Three and the entirety of Page Four is nothing but repetitions of the same lies promulgated earlier, simply repeated with no indication that they had been responded to cogently and with clarity - simply repeated, but I'll add, with further insults of a purely personal nature. That's the style of discourse that occurs when this fellow enters the room : lie, lie, backtrack a little and then tell the same lies including the ones that had already been retreated upon, and when that runs out, reach deep into the insult bag and just say mean and ugly things for no damn reason that has anything to do with anything except the mean-spirited nature of the person who makes their sad little reputation this way..

mithridates

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Peace activist 18 times on one page, "fake peace activist" nine times!

Hard to read what that means completely ... does it show that I'm only half as fake as I ought to be, and that half of the time I really AM a peace activist? I lived a lot of life in this world and never knew I was any kind of activist at all until this guy came around, now it seems I not only am such, but I am half-fake ...

But what seems most clear is that Joo couldn't manage to find true reality using both hands even if he had a roll of toilet paper in one of them.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:58 pm Post subject:

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I asked you and I know the answer.

The fact is that your thread is about the death of the VP

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He declined to do so, and we must surmise that anyone he might point to would be quickly identified as lunatic fringe on par with the hatemongering Aryan Brotherhood types who populate the far reaches of his own end of the spectrum. It was lie, of course, and he knew it, so no credible response could be made.

there was no lie,

and you defend bigots all the time like your drinking buddy.

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It is not a lie I asked you several times.

NO LIE.

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the fact is that you condemn the US war but you refuse to condemn the insurgents wwar.

There is no LIE.

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the fact is that Mr real men prefer peace is a fake peace activist and is one of the most violent posters

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on this board , he is also a hypocrit.

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I had already given credit for the joke to the website I quoted here, and he knows I made none on my own. My OP specifically addressed the fact that I mean the mean old man no harm. He knows he is lying - it is conscious and deliberate.

You though it was funny but you get mad when someone calls Castro a Jerk.

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I asked you and I know the answer.

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The fact is that you get upset when someone calls Casto a Jerk but you think it is funny when someone wishes for the death of the VP.

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It's the first time he will utter this lie, though he will repeat it many times later, and possibly a few more times after this post. I never said it. It is a lie.

You said that Bigotry was an exucse for you not to be peaceful.

your post was not peaceful . so what is your excuse .

NO Lie.

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You made a joke about the VP dying . Not peaceful fake peace activist.

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the fact is that they are the bigots around. If you are concerned about it then that is where to look.

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Complete non sequiteur, of course, but I have said many times that I worry that Geo W Bush is too powerful

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that maybe so but you are also worried that the US is too powerful/

We were not talking about Bush but the US infact Bush was not part of the conversation.

You were afraid that the US was too powerful and that any strategic gains in Iraq are ill gotten gains that must be returned.

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again he conflates the concepts of America with the Bush administration. He is aware of the untruthfulness of what he is saying, aware because it's an old, old discussion between the two of us. He will continue to lie this way, however - a day without lies is a day without Joo Rhipp, to coin a phrase.

there is no lie except for what you said. You were afraid that the US was too powerful and that any strategic gains in Iraq are ill gotten gains that must be returned.

that is not about Bush , that is about the US.

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when did you condemn the insurgents and if fact I showed quotes from you refusing to just that.

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He is aware that I have never said any such thing - though it is true that I think the internal policies of other countries are their own business

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Well that is the impression I get.

and there policies are causing terror. Therefore it is the business of the US.

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and that seems to be the place where logical people begin talking - and once again, the intent is to show me as a disloyal American, even though later in this thread he has declined many opportunities to assert his willingnes to pick up a gun and aim it at a soldier in an army invading and occupying our nation. Nevertheless, he knows it is a lie, and he has said it many times and will do so again.

would fight for my country if my government was legitimate, and if the invaders were really out to destroy my country and destroy my home and my family

But Saddam's government was not legitimate.

And US forces are not out to destroy Iraq , nor are they out to destroy the homes of Iraqis.

So your comparison is junk .

It is not legitimate to attack other ethnic groups?

It is not legitimate to try to stop elections cause your group can't win?

It is not legitimate to fight for the bathist geo political/ regional agenda?

Saddam persecuted his minorites - isn't it wrong to fight for such a regime and such a system?

It is not legitimate to go against the wishes of the legitimate Iraqi government which is not only more legitimate and representative than the previous Iraqi government but more legitimate and representative than most governments in the middle?

If the insurgents were fighting for their homes and families they would not do these things?

The insurgents are not fighting for their homes and families (as you try to spin it) , they are fighting to rule Iraq.

The insurgents ' war in not legitimate.

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well you thought it is funny when someone makes a joke about it. Not peaceful you phoney peace activist/.

No lie.

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the fact is that you refuse to condemn the insurgents for their war but you condemn the US for its actions.

It is not legitimate to attack other ethnic groups?

It is not legitimate to try to stop elections cause your group can't win?

It is not legitimate to fight for the bathist geo political/ regional agenda?

Saddam persecuted his minorites - isn't it wrong to fight for such a regime and such a system?

It is not legitimate to go against the wishes of the legitimate Iraqi government which is not only more legitimate and representative than the previous Iraqi government but more legitimate and representative than most governments in the middle?

If the insurgents were fighting for their homes and families they would not do these things?

The insurgents are not fighting for their homes and families (as you try to spin it) , they are fighting to rule Iraq.

The insurgents ' war in not legitimate.

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When have you condemn the insurgents for their war. You spin it as they are fighting against an invading army. Well they are also fighting to conquer Iraq.

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You condemn the actions of the US but you refuse to condemn the insurgents war.

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No the fact is that you think it is funny

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Or when was I peaceful when I saw bigotry or hate (not he lame excuse for it you conjure up to attack your enemies, Joo, I mean real thing) and when did I claim to be an activist of any kind?

Bobster says he that he is not peaceful when he sees bigotry.

That is his excuse for posts that are not peaceful.

well then show that Cheny is a bigot.

Bobster is a liar!

fake peace advocate.

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First of all I posted several articles that refuted the arguement of ManKind.In response to what he said.

but Bob is lying there too.

The fact is that you brbe posters you offered to post against your fascist buddy in exchange for me posting against another poster.

BUT you also offered to post against your fascist drinking buddy if I condemned someone just cause cause they said that the Bobster wasn't an honest broker.

Why cause Bobster is a liar and he is also full of himself.

Bob also off course was always defending the hate speech of Ersatz.

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You condemn the US actions and you refuse to condemn the war of the insurgents.

You want to see a liar Bob then look in the mirror.

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The rest of Page Three and the entirety of Page Four is nothing but repetitions of the same lies promulgated earlier, simply repeated with no indication that they had been responded to cogently and with clarity - simply repeated, but I'll add, with further insults of a purely personal nature. That's the style of discourse that occurs when this fellow enters the room : lie, lie, backtrack a little and then tell the same lies including the ones that had already been retreated upon, and when that runs out, reach deep into the insult bag and just say mean and ugly things for no damn reason that has anything to do with anything except the mean-spirited nature of the person who makes their sad little reputation this way..

Just cause you say so doesn't mean much.

If you want to see lies look at the posts of Bob. He is the king of slander and hypocricy. And he is also full of himself.

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But what seems most clear is that Joo couldn't manage to find true reality using both hands even if he had a roll of toilet paper in one of them.

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=40513&start=180

BOBSTER "real men like peace" said

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A few too many bigots around for my taste lately, not only wannago and The Urban Myth, but most recently bigverne and Leslie Cheswick. In My Very Humble Opinion, rabid animals such as these need to be put down as quickly as possible, with little compunction about humane methods, as they are a severe threat to the larger body of humanity.

Start with your subversive fascist drinking buddy.

All hail the fake peace advocate