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dogbert
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Lucky you. I know of many other people they did bother. Again, the difference is that my anecdotal experience is backed up by Department of Justice stats.
Just what do you folks get out of defending criminal behavior? |
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guangho
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| It's pretty defeatist but what do you expect from a group of people after you spend roughly 300 years treating them like dirt? |
Slavery is over, the civil rights struggle is finished. Time for people to move on. |
Which is a fine idea. I'll pass it on at the next G.W. rally at Bob Jones U.
Actually I agree with you. Except "moving on" means moving up economically.That will not happen until 1) African-Americans decide to value self-sacrifice and education instead of easy gratification and victimhood and 2) whites do more than pay lip service to equality. Being treated with condescension is not equal treatment. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| That will not happen until 1) African-Americans decide to value self-sacrifice and education instead of easy gratification and victimhood |
Which will be the second Sunday from never.
The ant and the grasshopper, my friend. |
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guangho
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
Lucky you. I know of many other people they did bother. Again, the difference is that my anecdotal experience is backed up by Department of Justice stats.
Just what do you folks get out of defending criminal behavior? |
Lies, damned lies and......
Also see dictionary.com for "defending" vs. "explaining" |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| guangho wrote: |
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Lucky you. I know of many other people they did bother. Again, the difference is that my anecdotal experience is backed up by Department of Justice stats.
Just what do you folks get out of defending criminal behavior? |
Lies, damned lies and......
Also see dictionary.com for "defending" vs. "explaining" |
Please, explain away.
I'm all ears.
Explain why black on white violent crime far exceeds the opposite. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| 2) whites do more than pay lip service to equality |
You already have the ludicrous policy of affirmative action in the States where you actually give people a hand up just because of their skin colour. What more needs to be done? |
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desultude
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| bigverne wrote: |
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| 2) whites do more than pay lip service to equality |
You already have the ludicrous policy of affirmative action in the States where you actually give people a hand up just because of their skin colour. What more needs to be done? |
Affirmative action is George Bush, both academically and intellictually unqualified, getting in Yale. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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This clearly states 15% and this is up to date not nearly 20 years ago.
While aborginals may be over-representated in the prison population, it is nowhere near the 70% that you were attempting to imply it was. |
Looks like you just opened a can of worms.
"Aboriginal women represent between one and two per cent of the Canadian population. Yet, they are 27 per cent of the women serving federal sentences."
http://dawn.thot.net/fsw2.html
Aboriginal peoples are over-represented in Canadian prisons. In 1999, the incarceration rate for Aboriginal people was 735 per 100,000 of the Canadian population, compared to a national average incarceration rate of 151 per 100,000.
http://www.prisonjustice.ca/politics/1012_failedexp.html
Better just stop there urban myth before i'm forced to reveal to the world the dark underbelly of Canadian racism against its native people. A shameful history of exploitation and a living apartheid. |
Why are you using statistics from a political activist (and ones that are six years out of date to boot)? My links shows that the overall aboriginal population in federal jails across Canada is 15% (which is fairly low compared to most other nations). As for revealing "Canadian racism" you tried that before and were soundly trounced. Do you enjoy being humiliated? I guess this will turn into another Rapier bashing thread. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| My links shows that the overall aboriginal population in federal jails across Canada is 15% |
The link also notes that indigenous folk make up only 3% of the total population ... and out of that 3% they somehow are represented in enough numbers to rank at 15% - can someone who is better at math than I am give a clue about what percentage of the entire native population is incarcerated? I'm a little curious. |
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Bulsajo
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rapier
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Native canadians represent 1.4 million of the country's 31 million people, yet according to Myth's conservative estimate account for 15% of the country's prison population.
Sounds like a really non- racist place.
Come on now urban, we all know the native community suffers disproportionately high rates of social problems, unemployment etc compared to whiteys, not to mention blacks..and their history of slavery in Canada.
"Aboriginal women represent between one and two per cent of the Canadian population. Yet, they are 27 per cent of the women serving federal sentences."
Aboriginal peoples are over-represented in Canadian prisons. In 1999, the incarceration rate for Aboriginal people was 735 per 100,000 of the Canadian population, compared to a national average incarceration rate of 151 per 100,000.
Do you really think these ratios have changed in just 6 years? Prove it. |
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kermo
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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A separatist, non-integratable population that simulatanously resents, dissaproves of, and exploits its hosts.
They don't view western law as legitimate. they don't respect it. Algerians and Tunisians etc are still brought up with hatred of france, a collective resentment of colonial times.
I know: I've spent time in France, i've met Arabs there. i know their mindset. No crime is unjustified to them: they are living in a land of infidels, that they believe stole from and exploited them in colonial times: they don't care what they do! I've seen them spit at little white kids in the street, or talk about breaking into houses and say its only fair as france stole their country's resources etc. They exist on profits from drugs, smuggling, and pimping.
Of course they commit the most crime!. |
You can relax now. According to the article:
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France is home to some six to seven Muslims, the largest Muslim minority in Europe.
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So, there are only six to seven Muslims, and apparently many of them are in jail. What have you got to worry about?
On a more serious note, let's look at this from a slightly different angle.
These crime rates have less to do with religion, and more to do with immigrants from impoverished countries, whose skin colour and cultural differences make integration difficult. As I see it, an Algerian or a Moroccan-- unless they are quite brave, or come from a Christian or Bahai familiy-- is Muslim by default. To renounce the faith means breaking ties with family and tradition, so to make a link between *being Muslim* and *being a criminal* is tenuous. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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| 2) whites do more than pay lip service to equality |
You already have the ludicrous policy of affirmative action in the States where you actually give people a hand up just because of their skin colour. What more needs to be done? |
Affirmative action is George Bush, both academically and intellictually unqualified, getting in Yale. |
so two wrongs make a right?  |
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desultude
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| Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| desultude wrote: |
| bigverne wrote: |
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| 2) whites do more than pay lip service to equality |
You already have the ludicrous policy of affirmative action in the States where you actually give people a hand up just because of their skin colour. What more needs to be done? |
Affirmative action is George Bush, both academically and intellictually unqualified, getting in Yale. |
so two wrongs make a right? |
I am ambivalent about affirmative action, primarily because it usually excludes people who are disadvantaged solely by class- i.e. poor whites. I really think that on some level, below explicit conspiracy, there is a reason for this, and that is that it keeps poor whites and poor minorities from finding common cause. (There were laws that were explicitly intended to do this prior to the 20th century, but that is a different story).
The people who are advantaged in the U.S. are those who need it least- the well off and connected. I know this is generally true everywhere, but in the U.S. is it not well acknowledged, because we historically do not have a discourse of class politics.
The little bit that affirmative action is or has been applied is adequate to piss off the poor whites and give grist to the politicians, but not enough to alter the general distribution of wealth and advantage. It is shuffling around a few people at the middle and the bottom, while leaving the system of priviledge in place.
So, yes, I think it is a worthy topic of discussion that the leader of the conservative Republicans, who explicitly rail against affirmative action is an affirmative action baby himself. The hypocrisy is just too evident.
If all of the jobs distributed in the U.S. based on affirmative action were opened to competitive recruiting, nothing of any consequence would change. It is a straw man issue of enormous convenience to TV and radio screaming hosts and to politicians, and to people trying to make sense out of their own failure to succeed in the ever narrowing U.S. economy. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
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| My links shows that the overall aboriginal population in federal jails across Canada is 15% |
The link also notes that indigenous folk make up only 3% of the total population ... and out of that 3% they somehow are represented in enough numbers to rank at 15% - can someone who is better at math than I am give a clue about what percentage of the entire native population is incarcerated? I'm a little curious. |
However Rapier was attempting to claim that this is somehow comparable to the 70% of Muslims in French jails.
And before you ally yourself with a man who has referred to you and all other white Americans as "genocidal squatters" you might find reading these links an insight into his mind.
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=43244&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
OR
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=43529&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
After reading these links you will quickly see that Rapier is not (by his own admission) concerned about the aborginals but only rather that he show us what genocidal people we were (and according to him still are)
If the second link is too long, you can just read the first three and the last three pages. That will be enough. |
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