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Are Christians Who Practice Premarital Sex Hypocrites?
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hypnotist

Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:31 pm Post subject:

magicwolfman wrote:

hypnotist wrote:

So why does it matter how seriously a sin is regarded? How do some sins do greater damage [your words]?

Please, resolve the apparent contradiction in your answers.

The degree of the sin does not matter in hypocracy (the topic), it is in my opinion the repentence and the fact that you are engaging in this act with another individual.

Indeed, it is your opinion. Not God's. And that is the crux of the matter. Jesus is quite clear that God will do the judging, not any man.

Not that you answered my question. It's such a coincidence that your posts are just like an old sock: full of holes.

hypnotist

Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:36 pm Post subject:

magicwolfman wrote:

Please dont tell me that you are trying to equate having unpure thoughts about your neighbor and committing adultry the same.

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28 )

Are you disagreeing with Jesus?

magicwolfman

Joined: 01 Sep 2005

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:38 pm Post subject:

hypnotist wrote:

magicwolfman wrote:

hypnotist wrote:

So why does it matter how seriously a sin is regarded? How do some sins do greater damage [your words]?

Please, resolve the apparent contradiction in your answers.

The degree of the sin does not matter in hypocracy (the topic), it is in my opinion the repentence and the fact that you are engaging in this act with another individual.

You have your blinders on and are too defensive. I am just giving your my (and scholars) interpretation of the scripture. I am not just pulling random thoughts or beliefs out of a hat, they are long held beliefs. I say my opinion, but these are based in scripture.

and like I quoted earlier
involving others in one's sin in 1 Samuel 2:22-24.

hypnotist

Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock

Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:58 pm Post subject:

magicwolfman wrote:

Some scholars, you mean. Are you even aware of the controversy over the translation and interpretation of 'porneia'? Why do you take the interpretation you do? Have you read the original? I have a friend who knows the Greek of the Bible - if you encounter problems in your learning, I'll happily ask her to help. Or are you saying you've already read the scripture in the original Hebrew and Greek? If that's the case, please do include the originals when citing scripture - I'll do my best to keep up. Unfortunately I don't have a copy of Strong's Concordance with me, but I presume you do have one... right?

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and like I quoted earlier
involving others in one's sin in 1 Samuel 2:22-24.

The JPS version of 1 Samuel 2:24 reads in a completely different sense, though.

EFLtrainer

Joined: 04 May 2005

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:42 am Post subject:

Manner of Speaking wrote:

Actually I should have phrased it as 'are Christians who practice premarital sex behaving hypocritally'. Sometimes the subject line limit can be limiting in more ways than one. Embarassed

That would depend on whether they believed it to be wrong. Can be Christian and not believe it to be wrong.

Question is too broad.

mindmetoo

Joined: 02 Feb 2004

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:30 am Post subject:

fiveeagles wrote:

There are many reasons why they can't, but they can't. Maybe, they are still weakened by guilt or shame. However, God measures them not by their sin, but by their desire of being set free. For those who desire to be set free from sin, is what God finds happiness in.

So if I go around killing people, but in my heart I really really wish I wasn't but I keep killing people, god will judge me on that?

Is that what you're saying?

Alias

Joined: 24 Jan 2003

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:05 am Post subject:

magicwolfman wrote:

1 Corinthians 6:18 (NIV) saying that unlawful sexual relations defile our own bodies. "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body."

I guess masterbation is out of the question then. Sad

cionanian-cro

Joined: 21 Sep 2005

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:23 am Post subject:

magicwolfman wrote:

hypnotist wrote:

So why does it matter how seriously a sin is regarded? How do some sins do greater damage [your words]?

Please, resolve the apparent contradiction in your answers.

The degree of the sin does not matter in hypocracy (the topic), it is in my opinion the repentence and the fact that you are engaging in this act with another individual.

If the degree of sin does not matter, then why did you break sin into thsoe six categories?

it is indeed a contradiction.

Barring an acceptance of Christ,
Looking at attractive woman and experiencing feelings of lust-->HELL
Hitler-->HELL

Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:09 pm Post subject:

EFLtrainer wrote:

Manner of Speaking wrote:

Actually I should have phrased it as 'are Christians who practice premarital sex behaving hypocritally'. Sometimes the subject line limit can be limiting in more ways than one. Embarassed

That would depend on whether they believed it to be wrong. Can be Christian and not believe it to be wrong.

What if I believed murder is not wrong. Can one still be a Christian?

magicwolfman

Joined: 01 Sep 2005

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject:

Alias wrote:

magicwolfman wrote:

I guess masterbation is out of the question then. Sad

Yes it is.

magicwolfman

Joined: 01 Sep 2005

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:17 pm Post subject:

cionanian-cro wrote:

magicwolfman wrote:

hypnotist wrote:

So why does it matter how seriously a sin is regarded? How do some sins do greater damage [your words]?

Please, resolve the apparent contradiction in your answers.

The degree of the sin does not matter in hypocracy (the topic), it is in my opinion the repentence and the fact that you are engaging in this act with another individual.

Ok, I will try to make it clearer.

The degree doesnt matter in the sense of one being called a "hypocrate"

I broke it down in a response to a poster saying that all sins are equal (which is totally and completely false)

hypnotist

Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:25 pm Post subject:

magicwolfman wrote:

You still haven't explained when the degree DOES matter.

You also still haven't explained why you disagree with the teachings of Jesus in Matthew 5:28.

You also still haven't explained why you take the interpretation you do of 'porneia'.

You also still haven't resolved the differences in tone of 1 Samuel 2:24 between (eg.) the KJV and the JPS.

Please, don't leave us lovers of theological debate waiting Rolling Eyes

cionanian-cro

Joined: 21 Sep 2005

Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:04 pm Post subject:

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And I just showed you how they ARE all equal.

God will torch your spiritual body--forever--unless you're a Christian.

If one sin bugs him a little, and another pisses him off a whole whole lot, then why does he give the same blanket torture for ALL sinners?

Now, MW: I believe I have asked you this question numerous times now. Every answer you've given has failed to really get at this question.

For example, if I may re-quote you:

Quote:

The degree doesnt matter in the sense of one being called a "hypocrate"

Now that just makes no sense.

I am not sure you UNDERSTAND my question. Unfortunately, I don't know how to make it any clearer.

Usted comprende ingles??? Ah???

Alias

Joined: 24 Jan 2003

Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:50 pm Post subject:

magicwolfman wrote:

Alias wrote:

magicwolfman wrote:

I guess masterbation is out of the question then. Sad

Yes it is.

Sorry but I think you're lying.

Keepongoing

Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Location: Korea

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:22 pm Post subject: spelling lesson

Please see the correct spelling of this word: Hypocrite

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