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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| wannago wrote: |
| I guess the alternative would be to have a mandatory period of service for EVERYONE like Israel and some other countries do (I can't seem to think of any others right now). I'm just not sure why anyone would think of joining the service and not be aware that the possibility of going to war (whether you agree with said war or not) was there. This seems pretty naive...even for an 18-year old. |
The possibility of going is a given. Understanding the reality is not. I've yet to meet anyone who has gone to war and not had it be far more than they bargained for. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:17 am Post subject: Re: US Army recruiting meeting goals for 3rd straight month |
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| Fifty percent drop-out rate? I've never seen that. Can you show me something about it? |
Damn, it apparently has gone up a bit, it's only 29 percent now. Note that it is at, near or below for some populations and/or areas. It may be I was misremembering slightly, but 29% is still far too high. |
So, you were only off by 21%? That seals it...I'm 100% certain you're a moron.
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| Posts such as you made in response to me are pathetic and pointless. |
Never pointless when you can point out the lies of a liberal.
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| The possibility of going is a given. Understanding the reality is not. I've yet to meet anyone who has gone to war and not had it be far more than they bargained for. |
No one said war is enjoyable. Not understanding that war is a miserable, yet a defining, period of life means one must be a moron. The bygone days of glamorizing war is over...in case you hadn't noticed. |
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Alias
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:09 am Post subject: |
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As for the idea that it's some form of socialism, I think you could look at it in the opposite light- what you give is what you get. Ayn Rand would have approved.
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Just a minor point: Ayn Rand opposed the draft, and said that all true conservatives should do so as well. And since she opposed any form of welfare state whatsoever, she likely would have rejected the premise behind "what you give is what you get"(ie. in her view there shouldn't be anything to "get" in the first place).
I think the draft-welfare connection would be most popular with traditional conservatives, who view society as an organic entity, predicated on a reciprocal system of duties and benefits. |
Thank you. My point was that the draft is the ultimate form of big government. This is why Rand opposed it, as do most libertarians. Of course there are plenty of conservatives who support such big government measures just like their liberal counter parts.
So if you think welfare is a negative form of big government how on earth could you support the draft? "Go kill for your country!" |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:18 am Post subject: Re: US Army recruiting meeting goals for 3rd straight month |
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| wannago wrote: |
So, you were only off by 21%? That seals it...I'm 100% certain you're a moron.
The bygone days of glamorizing war is over...in case you hadn't noticed. |
You truly are an embicile. 30 percent is OK? You were making as if it was a mirage. Freaking fool.
And, yes, they still galmorize war. Why the frick do you think they don't report all the nasty crap or let the troops' bodies be photographed?  It is SANITIZED, then they say it's all for honor and glory, which is the ultimate bullshit because the entire war is UNJUST, which all-in-all amounts to the same thing.
Nutcase.
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:20 am Post subject: |
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As for the idea that it's some form of socialism, I think you could look at it in the opposite light- what you give is what you get. Ayn Rand would have approved.
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Just a minor point: Ayn Rand opposed the draft, and said that all true conservatives should do so as well. And since she opposed any form of welfare state whatsoever, she likely would have rejected the premise behind "what you give is what you get"(ie. in her view there shouldn't be anything to "get" in the first place).
I think the draft-welfare connection would be most popular with traditional conservatives, who view society as an organic entity, predicated on a reciprocal system of duties and benefits. |
Thank you. My point was that the draft is the ultimate form of big government. This is why Rand opposed it, as do most libertarians. Of course there are plenty of conservatives who support such big government measures just like their liberal counter parts.
So if you think welfare is a negative form of big government how on earth could you support the draft? "Go kill for your country!" |
Absolutely. Let us keep all the money, but you do die. We'll keep our precious boys in the National Guard. Sort of. - George Bush, the previous. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:55 am Post subject: |
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Back to the matter on hand, I read an article the other day that said that if America could reach its recruitment levels, then they could start releasing the military personnel who are up for detachment.
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,78114,00.html
Does anyone else think we are recieving conflicting information? |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:55 am Post subject: |
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As for the idea that it's some form of socialism, I think you could look at it in the opposite light- what you give is what you get. Ayn Rand would have approved.
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Just a minor point: Ayn Rand opposed the draft, and said that all true conservatives should do so as well. And since she opposed any form of welfare state whatsoever, she likely would have rejected the premise behind "what you give is what you get"(ie. in her view there shouldn't be anything to "get" in the first place).
I think the draft-welfare connection would be most popular with traditional conservatives, who view society as an organic entity, predicated on a reciprocal system of duties and benefits. |
Yeah, I probably got Ayn Rand all wrong, I never much cared for her as a writer or a political philosopher- I thought she was aas much a dunderhead as Marx....
Anyway, I'm just riffing on Heinlein's idea which is probably as unworkable as anything Rand and Marx ever suggested; Utopia is always fun to talk about. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:38 am Post subject: Re: US Army recruiting meeting goals for 3rd straight month |
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| wannago wrote: |
So, you were only off by 21%? That seals it...I'm 100% certain you're a moron.
The bygone days of glamorizing war is over...in case you hadn't noticed. |
You truly are an embicile. 30 percent is OK? You were making as if it was a mirage. Freaking fool. |
No one said 29% is OK (you said 30%...another fabrication). You, however, blatantly lied and said 50% of all US students drop out. Someone has agenda, don't they?
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| And, yes, they still galmorize war. Why the frick do you think they don't report all the nasty crap or let the troops' bodies be photographed? It is SANITIZED, then they say it's all for honor and glory, which is the ultimate *beep* because the entire war is UNJUST, which all-in-all amounts to the same thing. |
Wait, you WANT them to show the dead and wounded on TV for all to see? Children too? You truly are a sick *beep*. Yes, yes we know you think the war is unjust and that you hate the President...but now you want to show dead and wounded bodies to people because you think the war is unjust? Gotta love them liberals! |
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desultude
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:35 am Post subject: Re: US Army recruiting meeting goals for 3rd straight month |
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| wannago wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| wannago wrote: |
So, you were only off by 21%? That seals it...I'm 100% certain you're a moron.
The bygone days of glamorizing war is over...in case you hadn't noticed. |
You truly are an embicile. 30 percent is OK? You were making as if it was a mirage. Freaking fool. |
No one said 29% is OK (you said 30%...another fabrication). You, however, blatantly lied and said 50% of all US students drop out. Someone has agenda, don't they?
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| And, yes, they still galmorize war. Why the frick do you think they don't report all the nasty crap or let the troops' bodies be photographed? It is SANITIZED, then they say it's all for honor and glory, which is the ultimate *beep* because the entire war is UNJUST, which all-in-all amounts to the same thing. |
Wait, you WANT them to show the dead and wounded on TV for all to see? Children too? You truly are a sick *beep*. Yes, yes we know you think the war is unjust and that you hate the President...but now you want to show dead and wounded bodies to people because you think the war is unjust? Gotta love them liberals! |
People seeing the body bags come home and the wounded soldiers in the field was very instrumental in the ending of the support for the war in Vietnam.
Nothing sobers people up like a healthy dose of the truth. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:39 am Post subject: Re: US Army recruiting meeting goals for 3rd straight month |
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People seeing the body bags come home and the wounded soldiers in the field was very instrumental in the ending of the support for the war in Vietnam.
Nothing sobers people up like a healthy dose of the truth. |
That is why we are not allowed to be shown pictures of our dead retunring home in their coffins. This administration has shown time and again that truth is the last thing they want for the American people. |
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