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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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 Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:02 am Post subject: |
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| So, I guess you're not "absolutely stunned" at my lack of expertise in psychology, after all. |
Actually, I still am. This is common knowledge-level stuff, after all. |
I'm sure your knowledge in the subject eclipses mine. But really. What am I missing here? I haven't expounded any psychological babble here. I haven't spoken any foreign languages here, either. Guess you got me there, too, trainer.
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| So, I guess you're not "absolutely stunned" at my lack of expertise in psychology, after all. |
Actually, I still am. This is common knowledge-level stuff, after all. |
I'm sure your knowledge in the subject eclipses mine. But really. What am I missing here? I haven't expounded any psychological babble here. |
I didn't say you had, but you flatly denied a very basic and well-documented correlation. I don't understand how, unless quite young and simply not aware of the ebb and flow of crime with the economy. Also, it is simple logic: no money, steal. No money, depressed/angry/feeling alienated/blame the gov't and/or society.... strike out.
Really, my original question was not trolling. I was seriously surprised anyone would say such a thing. Now, arguing the why's and whrefores or whether there is any legitimacy or excuse for such behavior is open season. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| EFLtrainer wrote: |
| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| So, I guess you're not "absolutely stunned" at my lack of expertise in psychology, after all. |
Actually, I still am. This is common knowledge-level stuff, after all. |
I'm sure your knowledge in the subject eclipses mine. But really. What am I missing here? I haven't expounded any psychological babble here. |
I didn't say you had, but you flatly denied a very basic and well-documented correlation. I don't understand how, unless quite young and simply not aware of the ebb and flow of crime with the economy. Also, it is simple logic: no money, steal. No money, depressed/angry/feeling alienated/blame the gov't and/or society.... strike out.
Really, my original question was not trolling. I was seriously surprised anyone would say such a thing. Now, arguing the why's and whrefores or whether there is any legitimacy or excuse for such behavior is open season. |
Oh, is that it? Well, I just choose to ignore the excuses these bleeding hearts make. Stealing is the only crime that makes sense as a response financial hardship. (And, no, I do not condone that.) I mean, you'd have to show me someone stealing in order to feed his family to get me to shed a tear. All others, violent criminals, the kind who would blow your head off for a pair of Nikes, I have no sympathy for. And neither should you (Not saying you do.) But I think making excuses for that sort of behavior only encourages it.
http://www.libertyhaven.com/politicsandcurrentevents/crimeandterrorism/rootcauses.html
http://ttokarnak.home.att.net/Crime.html |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:H4etMl2cSLYJ:www.courttv.com/onair/shows/profiler/column_1023.html+%22serial+rapist%22+stressor&hl=ko
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| Some people never go beyond the fantasy stage. There is no progression to crime. But for those who make the transition to the real world, there is generally some type of stressor that pushes them over the line. It could be the end of a relationship, the loss of a job, anything that sets them off. The satisfaction from the first murder may preclude the need for any stressors to trigger the next one. |
Since I don't have my old sociology and psychology texts on hand this is what I got after spending a few minutes on Google. The fact is that violent crimes, which don't have an obvious economic dimension, do nevertheless go up during periods of economic stress. And they tend to go back down when the economy improves. Rape, child molestation, serial murder, etc. These are sick people who deal with the stresses in their lives by inflicting horrific hurts on others. And when they're having trouble making ends meet they are under a lot of stress; part of their psychological makeup is that they have a constant need to be in control.
The vast majority of run-of-the-mill murders are the result of either money (drug dealers, etc.) or relationships falling apart.
There's also the broken-windows theory. Property crimes naturally go up when the economy sucks. Some people, who may or not be predisposed to violence, take this as their cue (in a sense) to be violent. Then it becomes a widening, self-reinforcing cycle. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| Stealing is the only crime that makes sense as a response financial hardship. (And, no, I do not condone that.) I mean, you'd have to show me someone stealing in order to feed his family to get me to shed a tear. All others, violent criminals, the kind who would blow your head off for a pair of Nikes, I have no sympathy for. And neither should you (Not saying you do.) But I think making excuses for that sort of behavior only encourages it. |
OK, so (perhaps taking my point to a bit of an extreme, but not really) a levy breaks and there are multiple causes: lack of prior preparation, slow destruction of the LA Delta due to damming, etc, on the Mississippi, poor design, huge hurricane, a barge...
...but human beings only have one reason for what they do? Or, rather, only one possible response to economic stress? |
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