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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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I think its pretty fair...
still korea is not in such an easy group as you think...
if you think swiss is a walk in the park! you have another thing coming!
and I doubt france will fail like they did last time either..
and tago will be hard to beat...they beat turkey and senigal..
so korea has a tough group..
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| About Korean fans. They are only interested in their own team. |
Wow..those nasty Koreans..how dare they! Showing interest mostly in their national team in the World Cup.
They are truly barbarians. |
They aren't barnarians, but they have no sporting grace.
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| Les Bleus do look better this time however. |
I don't agree with you Homer. I think the French look even weaker than last time. In fact, the squad isn't that different from last time. Except this time it's older.
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
so korea has a tough group.. |
I agree. It's certainly no cake walk, and I would expect the Swiss to beat Korea on European soil. Of course, France should easily do the job. Togo are the only team in the group that I expect Korea to beat (even that is not a strong conviction). The group isn't easy but it is just about as easy as the Koreans could have got. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| The group isn't easy but it is just about as easy as the Koreans could have got. |
Of ALL the soccer powerhouses, France is the one team I think the Koreans could upset, using their fast breaks and constant surges.
Korea could win the group or finish third.
Their present coach certainly seems better suited to them than Bonfrere. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Of ALL the soccer powerhouses, France is the one team I think the Koreans could upset, using their fast breaks and constant surges. |
Yes, I agree. If I was the coach of an unseeded team I would have wanted to draw the Mexicans the most, but I wouldn't have been too disappointed with the French either. However, on paper the French are still very strong. If Henry can get his act together and perform on the big stage he could pose very serious problems to Korea's generally weak backline. We still must not foget one important variable though; Korea are playing on European soil against two decent European teams, and they have a terrible away record. |
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Greekfreak
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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Don't know why, don't know how, but the current France squad is closer in quality to the Euro '96 outfit; capable but not unbeatable. At that stage, they were in the process of building a classic lineup.
At this point, I don't think Zidane will be a factor, unless he can stay healthy. Trezuguet has been outstanding this year, and if Henry can step it up in time for the summer, they'll be harder to beat.
The Swiss are mediocre at best; Korea's about the same level, especially the fullbacks--this will be the critical match, and it will come down to who screws up first, not who's better. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| Wow..those nasty Koreans..how dare they! Showing interest mostly in their national team in the World Cup. |
As Gwangjuboy already stated, it is the lack of grace that is most grating. What I find particularly annoying is the TV coverage, where the Koreans do not even show replays of the other teams goals and are hopelessly biased. Yes, all countries are biased, but in the UK, and in other countries I am sure, commentators applaud the skill of other players and have at least a bit of objectivity.
This World Cup will prove that Korea's 2002 success was a combination of intensive training (the players had 6 months off prior), good management and a litany of bad decisions. They will not repeat the fluke twice. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:15 am Post subject: |
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I agree Korea benefited from home field advantage in 2002...much like the French team did in 1998.
As for the fans and coverage, well they focus on their team to a fault. However, their team is a source of national pride and this differs from the UK who has had a good team for a long period.
If you want to talk about fan sporting grace...please leave the UK out of it as their fans get into brawls, fights and riots in every major major football event (Euro cup, World Cup).
Sporting grace...Italy: banishing a Korean player who was on a local italian team after the ROK squad knocked out Italy in 2002.
Columbia: players shot to death upon returning home in 1994 (or 1998) because they had played badly.
The list goes on..
In the 2006 cup...Korea might make it to the 2nd round and that would be quite the achievement. If they do not, they will be like many teams before them who came in as underdogs in a tournament, did exceptionally well and then suffered a regression in the next tourney. This makes the Korean squad no different than any other team who over-performs and then is faced with too high expectations.
As for bad referee calls....news flash...every world cup has them...every single one.
Hand of god anyone? |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:45 am Post subject: |
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Your knee jerk reaction defence to any slight of Korea is rather amusing.
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| If you want to talk about fan sporting grace...please leave the UK out of it as their fans get into brawls, fights and riots in every major major football event |
I wasn't talking about fan sporting grace but the behaviour of the media, if you bothered to read, which is so biased it is unbelievable. I'm not going to defend English hooliganism, so I don't see why you have to defend the hopeless bias of football commentary in Korea. The coverage of sporting events is appalling.
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| Sporting grace...Italy: banishing a Korean player who was on a local italian team after the ROK squad knocked out Italy in 2002 |
He was going to be sacked anyway. He had barely played a game for the team and his contract was at an end. The owner engaged in some nationalistic bravado and said he was 'sacked', but his contract would not have been renewed anyway. Moreover, after having some truly scandalous decisions go against them, I fully understand the anger the Italians were feeling.
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| Columbia: players shot to death upon returning home in 1994 (or 1998) because they had played badly. |
What does this red herring have to do with biased coverage of football in Korea?
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| If they do not, they will be like many teams before them who came in as underdogs in a tournament, did exceptionally well and then suffered a regression in the next tourney. This makes the Korean squad no different than any other team who over-performs and then is faced with too high expectations. |
Before the 2002 World Cup, Korea had never even won a single game in a World Cup. Then miraculously, and very dubiously, they made it to the semi-finals. That is fairly unprecedented, and their early exit from 2006 will show up just what a fluke 2002 was. In 2006, they will revert to type. A couple of draws against the minnows and then a beating by France.
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| As for bad referee calls....news flash...every world cup has them...every single one. |
That is true, although I cannot remember a single team to receive so many dubious, and crucial decisions as Korea in 2002.
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| Hand of god anyone? |
Yes, that was a travesty. However, Maradona was forgiven for producing a moment of genius and running through the entire England team to win the game. Argentina, on balance, deserved to win the game, and were worthy world champions. Korea, on the other hand, did not deserve to get to the last four. |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:53 am Post subject: |
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To be honest most of my students aren't really bothered about Korea's group.
They are far more excited about the prospect of Japan getting a hammering from Brazil. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| They are far more excited about the prosect of Japan getting a hammering from Brazil. |
Korea's gloating of Japanese losses reminds me of the Scots, who will support any team playing against the English. Twisted, bitter people. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:06 am Post subject: |
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I think Bigverne is right here in that the Koreans tend to follow football in a nationalistic, it's-all-about-our-team(read; country), kind of way.
Football lovers in my country give a lot more time to the world scene. We appreciate excellent football wherever it comes from.
Anyone who has been to a British or anywhere 0-0 draw between two minor league teams on a wet Wednesday night and enjoyed themselves know what I mean. The joy is in the game.
I've been to more than a few K-league games and they are poorly attended. Compare that to a Korea national team game and you can see where Koreans place their sympathies.
I wouldn't say Koreans aren't football lovers. They do enjoy the game. I see amateur teams play all over the place on weekends.
It's just that they interleave too much into their national teams success or failure. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| That's right. Even when England didn't qualify for the World Cup in 1994, there was still a great deal of interest in the tournament, with coverage of all the games of TV. People appreciated watching the greatest players compete against each other. In fact, without the stress of watching England, it was very enjoyable to watch. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Even when England didn't qualify for the World Cup in 1994 |
Big difference here..!
England has a long standing football tradition both locally and internationally.
Korea does not have the same tradition.
Korean media are too focused on their team..that is very true. Then again, they are relatively newcomers on the international sporting scene as a decent team.
The refs are the only reason Korea wen't far in 2002 theory is pure crap.
Anyone who saw the Italy game and is an honest football fan saw that Italy lost for only one reason: themselves.
They scored, sat on the lead and missed opportunity after opportunity to put the game out of reach. When Viery missed the goal on a breakaway (untouched) was that the referees fault?
The game with spain was the scene of a doubful call (out of play call along the line) but it ended in a shoot out where the ref has zero impact. Did the ref make the spaniard miss his shot?
Anyway, this world cup (2006) will not see Korea equal their performance unless they drastically improve their play. Making it to the second round would be achievement enough. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| Then again, they are relatively newcomers on the international sporting scene as a decent team. |
There is only one reason for the biased coverage of Korean sporting events....ultra-nationalism. You can go into all the historic reasons for that you want, but it is a fact. Japan, who have been a football 'power' for far less time than Korea, do not exhibit these same symptoms.
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| The refs are the only reason Korea wen't far in 2002 theory is pure crap. |
Where did I say that you idiot? I said their victory was due to a combination of intensive training, good management and a litany of favourable decisions. I never said bad decisions were the only reason, although they certainly played a part.
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| Anyone who saw the Italy game and is an honest football fan saw that Italy lost for only one reason: themselves. |
Well, that and the Tommassi goal that was inexplicably ruled offside, and the harsh sending off of Totti. It is true that Italy could have killed off the game and they did play poorly, but Korea were very fortunate. Any honest (non Korean) fan could tell you that.
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| The game with spain was the scene of a doubful call |
Spain had two goals dissallowed! Does your defence of Korea go so far that you cannot even see that Spain were robbed? The fact is that the game should not have even gone to penalties. Anyway, there is a distinct chance that if Korea do manage to exit their group they will meet Spain in the last 16. Sweet revenge! |
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