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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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I was reading an article the other day that claimed that the entire cartoon controversy was being inflamed by fundamentalists on both sides. Apparently, both Muslim fundamentalists and 'secular fundamentalists' were at fault. Well, I don't know about that article, or that we should conclude that secular fundamentalists who are publishing offensive cartoons are equally as at fault as Muslim fundamentalists who are killing people and creating unrest because of offensive cartoons.
But after reading this thread I think I have a better understanding of whom secular fundamentalists might be. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, princess, it is my fault.
So, a bunch of grown men, wearing PJ's still late in the afternoon, get angry because of a cartoon - A Fu$%in cartoon!! - and "secular fundamentalists" are at fault?
No. What is at fault is that they are brainwashed by a cult. Their religion is violent in script, practice and history. When violent people act as such, citing their imaginary friend and a poorly written waste of paper as the reason why they are so crazy and violent, you can't blame anybody but them and their sorryass culture.
Pick any major conflict in this world. Odds are I can predict one of the combatants blind. Are all Muslim acts of violence the fault of Western secularists? |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:06 am Post subject: |
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I was reading an article the other day that claimed that the entire cartoon controversy was being inflamed by fundamentalists on both sides. Apparently, both Muslim fundamentalists and 'secular fundamentalists' were at fault. Well, I don't know about that article, or that we should conclude that secular fundamentalists who are publishing offensive cartoons are equally as at fault as Muslim fundamentalists who are killing people and creating unrest because of offensive cartoons.
But after reading this thread I think I have a better understanding of whom secular fundamentalists might be. |
You've always made me think, Kuros.
As an aside to the theological debate, I would only like to add that hijacking an ideology or religion for political advantage is common in history, actually the basic premise or method from which all evil is done, even 21st century American history, where being a patriotic American is hijacked to polarize and manage public opinion.
On the Islamic extremist side they are so silly. So defined by their enemies not by their own religion or spirit; it's a sorry state of affairs really. This Danish cartoonist is like a birthday gift to the extremists to help them further their ridiculous cause.
I do hope the West is able to be the bigger man, I really really do, because we are, you know. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| I do hope the West is able to be the bigger man |
In this context, what exactly does being the 'bigger man' mean? More grovelling apologies, meaningless 'dialogue', and outreach programmes to enhance muslims self-esteem problems?
The Jihadists have not 'hijacked' Islam, but are merely carrying on Islamic traditions of warfare established since the time of the prophet. Namely, to terrorise infidels populations and to institute Shariah. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| I do hope the West is able to be the bigger man |
In this context, what exactly does being the 'bigger man' mean? More grovelling apologies, meaningless 'dialogue', and outreach programmes to enhance muslims self-esteem problems? |
Whatever it takes actually, not to descend into the foul pit of bigtory and hatred these extremists find themselves in, I don't have all the answers but I don't much think you do either. By being the bigger man, I simply hope that we can keep our self-esteem, as extremists attack our way of life, without falling into their maelstrom of bigotry - being the bigger man. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| By being the bigger man, I simply hope that we can keep our self-esteem |
We lost that a long time ago, and they know it. We need not fall into the 'foul pit of bigotry' as you describe it, but we may need to take measures to defend our way of life and civilization. That will mean enacting tough measures that you would no doubt classify as 'bigoted' such as restricting muslim immigration and ending the pathetic kowtowing to muslim organisations that has been going on for too long. Of course this will be labelled bigoted, racist and so on, but people are beginning to not care anymore.
The mask of Islam has slipped again, and the trite platitudes about 'moderate' muslims and 'tolerance' just won't cut it. Islamic and Western values are incompatible, and it is time that people recognised this obvious fact. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| By being the bigger man, I simply hope that we can keep our self-esteem |
We lost that a long time ago, and they know it. We need not fall into the 'foul pit of bigotry' as you describe it, but we may need to take measures to defend our way of life and civilization. That will mean enacting tough measures that you would no doubt classify as 'bigoted' such as restricting muslim immigration and ending the pathetic kowtowing to muslim organisations that has been going on for too long. Of course this will be labelled bigoted, racist and so on, but people are beginning to not care anymore.
The mask of Islam has slipped again, and the trite platitudes about 'moderate' muslims and 'tolerance' just won't cut it. Islamic and Western values are incompatible, and it is time that people recognised this obvious fact. |
You Vernon, on occasion I feel have some things in common with the beastly wee man in your avatar, in that you define your fight by the actions of your adversaries, rather than your own spirit. What do you want exactly? For a billion muslims to stop being muslims?
I believe in our way of life, and absolutely agree that immigration of those who would work against our way of life should be curbed completely, that goes for all enemies of how we live - but I actually think that this system is already in place, or being built, with increased intelligence and strict border controls.
What do you want exactly? To keep all muslims, of all denominations and nationalities, from entering our countries?
That's simply not workable.
Another solution please.
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| We lost that [our self esteem] a long time ago |
No we fucking did not. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| in that you define your fight by the actions of your adversaries, rather than your own spirit. |
No, I define my 'fight' based on the protection of Western values and culture, which are incompatible with those of Islam. I recognise this incompatibility, and suggest measures, based on observable facts, that will allow our societies to resist the threat of Islam, both demographically and in terms of our future stability and security.
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| What do you want exactly? For a billion muslims to stop being muslims? |
Actually, I don't really care what they do in their own countries. They can institute Shariah, make women wear burkhas and prostrate themselves five times a day, if that is what makes them happy. It concerns me greatly however, what they do when they come to the UK and other Western nations, and what they could possibly do with greatly increased numbers and political power. Think of what would happen with another 'insult to Islam' if we had a population 20%, or 30% muslim. Going on past form, in almost every country where they form a significant minority, who in their right mind, would not be concerned about a growing muslim population? How can that possibly be a good thing?
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| but I actually think that this system is already in place, or being built, with increased intelligence and strict border controls. |
You obviously do not have a clue about the immigration system, or the real danger we face in the future. You talk about 'increased intelligence and border controls', both of which would have done nothing to stop 7-7, or the attempted attacks by East African 'asylum seekers' that followed them. Increased border security also does nothing to change the fact that many of our cities are being effectively colonised by people who do not share our values or culture, which represents a distinct threat to our future stability and safety.
Increased border security, in the face of continued mass immigration, through illegal entry, family reunion and 'asylum' will do nothing to stop the increase in the UK's muslim population, and will do nothing to stop extremism, ghettoisation and the effective Balkanisation of the UK.
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What do you want exactly? To keep all muslims, of all denominations and nationalities, from entering our countries?
That's simply not workable. |
We are an island, and as such it is remarkably easy to stop people entering our country, if we choose to do so. Muslim immigration could be massively reduced, almost overnight, if stricter immigration laws were enforced, and the automatic right to asylum restricted. It is perfectly workable, although at the moment it is not deemed acceptable. That will surely change. |
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gdimension
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Location: Jeju
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:04 am Post subject: |
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The winds of change...
Has anyone heard of this guy - the "Iraqi Gandhi"? Behold:
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Known for sayings such as "An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind, so extract a pinky for an eye," al-Naqib, 46, is both praised and vilified throughout the Muslim world for his radical, slightly less violent teachings.
Al-Naqib's followers are instructed to bomb discos on weeknights, when they are less crowded, and to equip suicide bombers with hand grenades rather than multiple sticks of TNT. |
Full article here.
There is hope, my friends. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:35 am Post subject: |
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[quote="gdimension"]
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| Known for sayings such as "An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind, |
Well I say "An eye for an eye will teach that idiot not to mess with me again." |
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