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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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Jinju - you have a great eye for pictures, but I have to wonder if you haven't spent a wee too much time with the darkroom chemicals lately... |
Hold on. Whether or nt she has a passport has not been clarified. Im getting the feeling that she does indeed have a passpor but the OP considers here to be a false Canadian because she is originally from Russia
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....she's a Russian..she apparently speaks English in a great way....she's not Canadian...she doesn't have a Canadian passport...she's a Russian who speaks great English but not Canadian....she's an English speaking Russian who doesn't have a Canadian passport....she's a Russian without a Canadian passport, who is not Canadian but speaks great English.....
...sorry, been watching too much of My Name is Earl.. |
I want the op to answer the specific question. Does she have a passport or not? |
Are you a tool? |
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Hobophobic
Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting
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| Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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No..tools are useful 
I are the gived up trying...I am the many bad teacher |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| I think we're all missing the point here. Is she hot? |
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Otus
Joined: 09 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Interesting read on this thread ... definitely the question of whether or not she's hot is the decider, I think.
Crazy Kiwi - your arguments embarass me. Legally, only citizenship determines one's nationality. Are you a Maori? If so, only on that basis can I call you a native New Zealander. If you want to classify someone outside of their legal status for determining nationality or native origin - good luck - you're going to upset alot of North Americans.
Sure, people have different accents, but there are oral tests for ESL teachers and accent is not a big factor as opposed to clarity of speech. If you're not familiar with those tests, just watch CNN for 30 minutes and you'll see what I mean.
Anyway - I don't want to drag this into that whole accent debate again. |
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crazykiwi
Joined: 07 Jun 2003
Location: new zealand via daejeon
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| Crazy Kiwi - your arguments embarass me. |
they embarass you??diddums 
and to clear up your point, yes, i am part Maori, therefore "a native".
The fact of the original matter is that the russian girl was prentending to be a canadian, as was the arab i mentioned earlier, pretending to be an australian. this is what the boss told him to tell the students, mothers and anyone else that asked. when a job tells you that you must be a native speaker of english, and some give the 6 or so countries which they consider are appropriate, then you should be from one of those countries. the fact these guys had to prentend they were from these countries makes one assume they were not in fact from any of these aforementioned countries. |
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Hobophobic
Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:04 am Post subject: |
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She's hotter than your momma cookin' bacon on christmas morn...mmmmm...sweet crispy bacon.....so i have heard...  |
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joyfulgirl
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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| i work at the school. the problem was never her. she speaks english well, she seems enthusiatic about the job, and will be a fine teacher, i'm sure. a kid told me today he thought she was from england, 'cause she said some words 'differently.' i said, 'well, no canada.' 'cause that's the story we're telling them. but her english is fine...accent, schmaccent. i believe the whole original post was about the state of a hogwon that hires illegal workers, and just wondering how often it was done. the canadian guy she replaced was a great teacher. just more expensive to keep on, i guess. she won't need the apt. or end of year bonus. when i first got here, all new 'foreign teachers' were people who'd just gotten jet lagged off a plane, not koreans and russians pretending to be one. not that the korean and russian aren't doing a great job..they are. it's not about them. it's just about the hogwon, and how often someone had seen this done..who's lying at work about things?...and does it mean we should all bail from this place? it seems to be in financial troubles.. |
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Otus
Joined: 09 Feb 2006
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Hobophobic - your dangling modifiers confuse me. Could I suggest
"Hotter than bacon being cooked by your mother on Christmas morning."
Not that I really have a problem with any intended interpretation, just as long as it doesn't involve my 'mom'.
Crazy Kiwi - there is a way to solve the problem and that would be to show any concerned parents the passport identification. Unfortunately, Koreans seem to find it difficult to take that kind of initiative and even when shown solid evidence, will assume it is fake if it doesn't agree with their prior belief.
Wanna write some more about that another time. |
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Hobophobic
Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Otus wrote: |
Hobophobic - your dangling modifiers confuse me. Could I suggest
"Hotter than bacon being cooked by your mother on Christmas morning."
Not that I really have a problem with any intended interpretation, just as long as it doesn't involve my 'mom'. |
Suggestion noted...but, dangling modifiers make it much more fun for interpretation by anyone to whichever way they like do you not think?  |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| 2. Suppose there were some illegal Mexican immigrants who settled down in USA and had babies. Suppose these babies never received any education as they were illegal and always lived within the Mexican community. Suppose they couldn't even speak English? Do you call them native English speakers? |
Um, these children receive educaton as required by law. Children are required to go to school, and schools are required to not ask about immigration status. Despite your faulty premise, your point stands. These children are not first-language English speakers, but some may become fluent bilinguals before they leave school.
Of course, these kids will never be teaching English legally in Korea because they don't have US passports. I did once, however, work in a hogwon with a mixed Mexican-American guy who had been living in Mexico. His spoken English was perfect, but his reading and writing were rather weak. |
Born in the USA = USA citizen = USA passport |
I just have point this out.
Parents born in Jamaica = Jamaican Passport = US Citizenship test = US Passport = US Citizen.
There is more than one way to get US citizenship. But I'm just pointing out the obvious.
I always found it amusing that my parents, who have spoken English their entire lives, can't live up to the most vaunted (or just plain oversimplified) standards of Korea (I guess they can now since they have that oh so coveted American passport). But whatever, this is their country, they can do whatever they want with it.
I just feel that as long as someone has a good grasp of the language, why should it matter where they are from? Most people who teach English on this fine planet we call earth are not native speakers but that doesn't mean that their students aren't getting a great education. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| Are you a racist? if she has a Canadian passport then she is INDEED a Canadian. |
Firstly, it is clear that you do not understand what racism is. Secondly, if owning a travel document is all it takes to be 'Canadian', it shows just how meaningless the concept of Canadian nationality really is. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| Are you a racist? if she has a Canadian passport then she is INDEED a Canadian. |
Firstly, it is clear that you do not understand what racism is. Secondly, if owning a travel document is all it takes to be 'Canadian', it shows just how meaningless the concept of Canadian nationality really is. |
What does it take. Do you deny that immigrants who became citizens are Canadian? |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Do you deny that immigrants who became citizens are Canadian? |
Well, I'm not Canadian, so I don't know what it takes to become a citizen. I suppose, if you become a citizen, you are technically Canadian. I would still maintain that ownership of a passport of a certain nationality, does not necessarily make you of that nationality, and that many people who own Canadian passports, would not owe their primary loyalty to Canada, or consider themselves primarily Canadian. But as I said, the idea of a 'Canadian' nationality or identity is becoming increasingly meaningless, if anyone, from any country, by mere virtue of residing in the country for x number of years, can miraculously become Canadian.
There are plenty of people in the UK, for example, who have UK passports, but can barely speak English, have no historical ties to the nation, and who have little knowledge of, or respect for its cultural norms and values. Yet, apparently, they are 'British'.
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Do you deny that immigrants who became citizens are Canadian? |
Well, I'm not Canadian, so I don't know what it takes to become a citizen. I suppose, if you become a citizen, you are technically Canadian. I would still maintain that ownership of a passport of a certain nationality, does not necessarily make you of that nationality, and that many people who own Canadian passports, would not owe their primary loyalty to Canada, or consider themselves primarily Canadian. But as I said, the idea of a 'Candian' nationality or identity is becoming increasingly meaningless, if anyone, from any country, by mere virtue of residing in the country for x number of years, can miraculously become Canadian.
There are plenty of people in the UK, for example, who have UK passports, but can barely speak English, have no historical ties to the nation, and who have little knowledge of, or respect for its cultural norms and values. Yet, apparently, they are 'British'. |
They are british. Its only you who is an anti-immigrant racist *beep*. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| They are british. Its only you who is an anti-immigrant racist *beep*. |
Right, so one can be British, while having no loyalty to the country or respect for its cultural norms, and little or no ability to speak English. It all makes sense, to a PC idiot like yourself.
By the way, you would look a lot more credible if you didn't resort to throwing around meaningless accusations of racism, which is a belief in the inherent superiority of one race over another. Please show where I have demonstrated this. |
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