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IchiTK

Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Location: on my way...
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Little Mixed Girl...check out these 2 websites and tell me again how innocent these Latinos are. Self righteous and totally ignorant of the power America has, these people are in for a rude awakening. Then again are they ignorant or just stupid? I haven't figured it out...tryin' though. I got a gun waiting for each and everyone of them if they do what they plan, and I'm Southern. I know how to use it.
http://www.aztlan.net/
http://www.pnlru.org/ |
Okay, I spoke too soon. The alternative option I spoke of is looking more probable. |
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SOOHWA101
Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Location: Makin moves...trying to find 24pyung
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Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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I tutor immigrants in citizenship classes that have been waiting 6 yrs plus to become a legal memeber of America, and I see how loyal these would be citizens are. What makes me sick is that the other week when the immigration marches were going on, Mexicans were tearing down the American flag from front porches and setting them afire in the middle of the street. And they DEMAND rights as what?!?..........ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS?
Unless you are on the front lines and are here along the border to witness the plague that is spreading North, then all you talk about is what you read in the papers. And that my friends is my definition of "delusional ignorance!"
They take jobs than nobody want? These jobs have no problem being filled by white people in the North, so that argument is absolute sh%t!! Again, you read it so it must be true....right? |
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dulouz
Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Location: Uranus
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| If you have an informed, educated opinion on the issue I would love to hear it, but the neo-fascist rantings need to get stuffed back where they came from. Really. |
Oh yes, I've seen this before. You disagree with me, you therefore mentally imbalanced ie xenophobic. "Neo fascist" - you got the big guns out, you feel threatened.
No, I'm sorry. I'm not succumbing to Bolshevik threats. Mexico and the rest of Latin America is no ones economic honey, never have been. The corporations have even left the maquilladoras for greener pastures.
Brazil is a BRIC due to its resources, not its work ethic. Latinos have a hard time graduating from high school and then much less graduating from college with advanced degrees in biotech and such much less registering high tech patents that keep US industry and the US economically competitive.
The Mexicans provide run of the mill stoop labor. I can find anyone to do that if they are dumb enough to invest the time. I can get Poles, Romanians and Chinese laborers for that. No, I'm not going to glorify the activity.
I'm sorry. The Mexicans cheated. The USA is supposed to be fair to all, its not anymore. We are just another corrupt and racist state. |
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Yo!Chingo

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: Seoul Korea
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| IchiTK wrote: |
| Yo!Chingo wrote: |
Hey Little Mixed Girl...check out these 2 websites and tell me again how innocent these Latinos are. Self righteous and totally ignorant of the power America has, these people are in for a rude awakening. Then again are they ignorant or just stupid? I haven't figured it out...tryin' though. I got a gun waiting for each and everyone of them if they do what they plan, and I'm Southern. I know how to use it.
http://www.aztlan.net/
http://www.pnlru.org/ |
Okay, I spoke too soon. The alternative option I spoke of is looking more probable. |
I've got a BS and am in the process of getting my masters. The average educational level of the people with whom I chose to call friends is at the masters level. Any other snide or stupid comments? My comment about being Southern is very real and many Southerners are as educated as the rest of America! |
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Porter_Goss

Joined: 26 Mar 2006 Location: The Wrong Side of Right
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:18 am Post subject: |
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This topic came up in a free-speaking adult class. Seriously, these were the most common comments/questions:
1. Is not the United States a nation of immigrants?
2. Is it not diversity that makes the United States so powerful?
3. Cheap migrant labor makes it possible for Americans to develop more quickly.
4. Wasn't Texas and New Mexico part of Mexico?
5. Why don't Canadians come to America for jobs?
6. Why can Americans easily go to Mexico, but Mexicans cannot go to the United States?
7. What types of resources (agriculture, timber, etc...) does Mexico have? |
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SOOHWA101
Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Location: Makin moves...trying to find 24pyung
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:46 am Post subject: |
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This topic came up in a free-speaking adult class. Seriously, these were the most common comments/questions:
1. Is not the United States a nation of immigrants?
2. Is it not diversity that makes the United States so powerful?
3. Cheap migrant labor makes it possible for Americans to develop more quickly.
4. Wasn't Texas and New Mexico part of Mexico?
5. Why don't Canadians come to America for jobs?
6. Why can Americans easily go to Mexico, but Mexicans cannot go to the United States?
7. What types of resources (agriculture, timber, etc...) does Mexico have? |
1) Yes. But there is a legal process that mediates balance, fairness, and common sense.
2) Yes. But just because something was good for America 100 yrs ago doesn't mean that it is "still" good for America. (ie. floods of immigrants hitting the ports)
3) Yes. But everyone paying taxes is what keeps a country afloat.
4) Yes. "WAS" being the key word. What about Ireland/England, Eastern block/Russia, Israel/Palestine, etc......
5) Because they are concerened with industrializing and developing their "own" nation. Plus, America is too diverse for them. They like to retreat to their "white" utopia. j/k
6) Because Americans go to Mexico to spend money, and Mexicans go to America to make money and then send it to Mexico.
7) Agriculture contributes 8 percent to Mexico��s gross domestic product (GDP) and employs about 22 percent of the labor force (about 8 million workers). Mexico��s exports to the United States of winter vegetables has grown from about $1 billion in sales in 1993 to about $1.8 billion in 1998 under NAFTA. This represents a 12.5 percent increase per year in these sales. Mexico��s exports of fruits and fruit juices also have grown extraordinarily fast, rising from $.3 billion in 1995 to $.7 billion in 1998, an 18.5 percent annual increase.
Thats what you tell them. |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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jmbran11
Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Location: U.S.
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:43 pm Post subject: What a bunch of ignorance! |
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At first, I thought this thread was a farce, it is so offensive. I can't believe you can spew such racist crap without being embarrassed by your own bigotry.
Yo!Chingo - you seem to be under the impression that illegals get so many free "services" that you are paying for. Study the statistics. Illegals are ineligible for public aid (like welfare), and constantly contribute to the economy pay paying sales tax, rent, buying consumer goods, etc. There are no free meals, or happy meals, for anyone.
And there was a project done in Southern California where all illegal fruit pickers were removed in one area - three months later 90% of the jobs were still unfilled. This industry would crumble in California without the manual labor, and Americans won't do it. They prefer to receive those governement services you are so worried about. Of course, manual labor is not important work like "teaching" English in Korea, but it does give us food, clothing, transportation, construction, which personally I appreciate more than another hagwon successfully turning a profit.
The idea that Mexicans (or illegals) are lazy and drunk is ridiculous and racist. Have you seen people who drink more and are lazier than (foreign) English teachers in Korea? My husband was one of those illegals (though not Mexican) doing construction work, and contractors were willing to hire him to do (for a good wage) because there were not enough American craftsmen to fill the demand and need. Since his skin is white, no one seemed to mind.
If Mexicans hate America, it's no wonder, considering the history of our actions and the current, obvious discrimination which continues.
I am disgusted beyond belief. U sually I find those who travel more open-minded than the people in my small, rural town back home, but this crowd makes my family seem like world-class liberals. |
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Yo!Chingo

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: Seoul Korea
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:39 am Post subject: Re: What a bunch of ignorance! |
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jmbran: "I can't believe you can spew such racist crap without being embarrassed by your own bigotry."
Bigotry??? I see no bigotry here. I see legal and justified questions.
jmbran: "Yo!Chingo: you seem to be under the impression that illegals get so many free "services" that you are paying for. Study the statistics. Illegals are ineligible for public aid (like welfare), and constantly contribute to the economy pay paying sales tax, rent, buying consumer goods, etc. There are no free meals, or happy meals, for anyone."
Uh, if I may say," bulls#it!" I worked in N.C's health department for 5 years lady! I saw 90% of the people there and they were latinos. Most of them didn't pay taxes and they sure didn't speak English! Free ride Baby! That's what Americans are good for!
jmbran: "And there was a project done in Southern California where all illegal fruit pickers were removed in one area - three months later 90% of the jobs were still unfilled. This industry would crumble in California without the manual labor, and Americans won't do it."
Again I call bulls#it!. Those jobs were done before the illeganos were here, and they'll be done afterwards!"
jmbran: "Of course, manual labor is not important work like "teaching" English in Korea, but it does give us food, clothing, transportation, construction, which personally I appreciate more than another hagwon successfully turning a profit."
And exactly what do you do for a living miss upity? Oh wait let me guess...janitorial staff? Oops...sanitary engineers. These blue collar jobs were being filled just fine before the frigin' illegals.
jmbran:" The idea that Mexicans (or illegals) are lazy and drunk is ridiculous and racist."
Have I ever said this??? Uh no....but my brother who has worked a few of them has said as much. Let experience speak for itself.
jmbran: "Have you seen people who drink more and are lazier than (foreign) English teachers in Korea?"
No comment about the drinking but lazier... Hmmm. I'll let my fellow teacher chew you out on that one!
jmbran: "My husband was one of those illegals (though not Mexican) doing construction work, and contractors were willing to hire him to do (for a good wage) because there were not enough American craftsmen to fill the demand and need. Since his skin is white, no one seemed to mind."
Well lady I mind...You're as stupid as they come and since you're married to one I don't really know why I've wasted my time even replying to your comments... You're obviously biased towards criminals and don't care about our laws.
"If Mexicans hate America, it's no wonder, considering the history of our actions and the current, obvious discrimination which continues."
Blah, Blah, Blah...if you don't like us get the HELL out of our country. WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE ANYWAY!!! Either you love us or you hate us... You can't have it both ways. I think every immigrant illegal or otherwise should have to pass a polygraph test about his/her feelings about the US before even being allowed to enter myself! Again we don't need or want you!!!
"I am disgusted beyond belief. U sually I find those who travel more open-minded than the people in my small, rural town back home, but this crowd makes my family seem like world-class liberals.[/quote]"
The part about the Liberals explains it all. I wish Liberals could get the fuc# out of their colleges and into the real world!!! I used to be like you then I woke up! |
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