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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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Hey, peace in our time  .
Merci, red dog. |
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pocketfluff
Joined: 30 May 2006
Location: Washington, DC (school) and Los Angeles, CA (home)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| WorldWide wrote: |
Damn you google.... I feel dirty having seached for Britney Spears....  |
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pocketfluff
Joined: 30 May 2006
Location: Washington, DC (school) and Los Angeles, CA (home)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Becoming a vegetarian is sort of an asocial act. You are saying that you know better than the vast majority of people. You are saying, and vowing, that you will follow your consciousness that has been raised to encompass the wellbeing, the feelings, of animals you don't know. |
I agree with you to a certain point, but I don't think the act of becoming a veggie is much more different from the act of, say, boycotting sweatshop-made goods or fighting to save animals from extinction.
Someone boycotting Nike, for instance, is saying and vowing that he will follow his consciousness that has been raised to encompass the wellbeing of workers he doesn't know. In the same manner, someone fighting to save the pandas is also vowing that he will follow his raised consciousness to encompass the wellbeing of animals he doesn't know.
Becoming vegetarian is no more asocial than standing up for other things one might give a crap about that the rest of the world doesn't. But it seems that veggie's get disproportionately more flack for what they do. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Wow flotsam chill out dude.
Your reaction doesn't show well on you; even if others are getting on you nerves.
Eye for an eye makes you just as bad as the other guy.
About the vidoe. That was difficult to watch because i'm a meat eater. I still intend on eating meat, but I just wish it was easier to consume beef, chicken, and pork that was not produced in a factory. |
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pocketfluff
Joined: 30 May 2006
Location: Washington, DC (school) and Los Angeles, CA (home)
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| Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| That was difficult to watch because i'm a meat eater. I still intend on eating meat, but I just wish it was easier to consume beef, chicken, and pork that was not produced in a factory. |
If you feel that way, you might want to consider purchasing "free-range" meats.
Although I consider myself a vegetarian most times, I do find myself eating meat (feel free to call me out on this, I'll happily explain myself). The meat I consume, however, is "free-range," meaning (hopefully) the animals who've given up their lives to nourish me led somewhat natural lives in adequate grass fields and such.
In the US, it is quite easy to purchase free-range chicken. Free-range beef in Korea, I don't know.
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John Henry
Joined: 24 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| What would you do if I said, if you don't eat this chicken, I'm going to kill this kitten? |
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Satori
Joined: 09 Dec 2005
Location: Above it all
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| What would you do if I said, if you don't eat this chicken, I'm going to kill this kitten? |
I'd say you were a despot and organise and uprising! |
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Homer
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:50 am Post subject: |
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Dog...it seems you missed it so I will clarify it for ya...
The plant "issue" was not an "issue" at all....it was a j-o-k-e.... 
As for me not liking your choices...I could not care less if your diet of choice was to eat recycled wood chips only. Eat what you like, live the way you like. My point was that others have the same right and that your rights (and any persons for that matter) end where anothers begin. Also, looking down on people who have a different diet then you is pretty stupid.
Aside from that...its all good and please pass the bulgogi. |
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red dog
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| My point was that others have the same right and that your rights (and any persons for that matter) end where anothers begin. |
Fine, I understand that that's your opinion. But I think our rights end where another animal's rights begin (whether the animal is human or nonhuman). |
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pegpig
Joined: 10 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:29 am Post subject: |
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Back on topic.
Here's another opinion:
Can't forget this gal's opinion:
And her contribution:
And this little guy went to market.....and didn't come back:
How about one of those before and after dealies.
Before:
After:
Eat well folks! |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Back on topic
Eat well folks! |
Pegpig. It's nice that you're trying to be funny, but most of us agree with eating meat. We just don't want abused animals from disease infested factory farms.
Personally speaking, when I eat a meal, I make sure I eat every bit of meat on the plate. If the meal is too big, I always throw away the carbs (rice or potatoes). But I make sure I eat the meat out of respect for the sacrifice the animal has made for me.
Regarding this topic, I am all for having some meat once in a while, but I don't want my meat coming from people that treat animals inhumanely. |
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pegpig
Joined: 10 May 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| abused animals from disease infested factory farms. |
You can check any of the many threads on eating meat to see my 'yeah right' opinion on this matter.
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If the meal is too big, I always throw away the carbs (rice or potatoes). But I make sure I eat the meat out of respect for the sacrifice the animal has made for me.
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I do the same, but not for respect. I must eat the meat since it's the best part of the meal and also the most expensive part of it. If I'm buying a steak I make damn sure to eat the steak. |
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Just thinking how the media protects the factory farms. Sure they announce that there's been an outbreak of BSE (mad cow), but they never show the pictures behind the story. The most I have ever heard them say on this topic is that the farmers feed rejected (that means sick & diseased) animals to the animals they are raising to feed us. Again - no pictures. Sorry, can't show that!!! Nope, gotta protect the public from the truth. "Now here's the news. Today in World Cup action Italy will play..."
Supposedly, this recycling of animals is now illegal in North America, but hey! Who's watching? |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| pegpig wrote: |
| Dev wrote: |
| abused animals from disease infested factory farms. |
You can check any of the many threads on eating meat to see my 'yeah right' opinion on this matter.
| Dev wrote: |
If the meal is too big, I always throw away the carbs (rice or potatoes). But I make sure I eat the meat out of respect for the sacrifice the animal has made for me.
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I do the same, but not for respect. I must eat the meat since it's the best part of the meal and also the most expensive part of it. If I'm buying a steak I make damn sure to eat the steak. |
peg peg,
I love eating meat. But I don't like eating tumors, cancer, lesions, pus. Just wondering if you've seen footage of slaughterhouses, or have read Fast Food Nation, how you can just say "yeah right". Or, am I misunderstanding that statement. I just think it's the not knowing and not caring that has lead us in north america to the kind of factories we have, when we should be eating a much, much higher quality of meat. In Europe, there is a limit of 300 cow butchering limit per hour, which still seems high, while in America it is 1,100 per hour. That means you get cows that are skinned alive, but also that, through haste, are butchered improperly and unsatitarily. So, for instance, you get meat covered with feces, urine, bacteria, etc. Not to mention having meat from a diseased animal allowed to be called grade A. We just need to demand more, and the move to organic and free range meats is going to help make the change. I hope it matters to you a little bit, or for your kids, what you are putting in their stomachs. There's a reason why heart disease and cancer,not to mention diabetes, are rampant. |
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KittyLover
Joined: 20 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree with those of you who insist on raising the standards when it comes to meat being sanitary and the animals being humanely treated. Let's cut to the chase: Where can you get this kind of meat in Korea? |
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