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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Some people do heineously violent things in desperate times. |
You said it.
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| "Having said all that," Bush continued, "people need to protect themselves. There are terrorists who will blow up innocent people in order to achieve tactical objectives." |
President Bush's quote from today. Who was he actually talking about? Let's note the whole family blown up (10 people) and the scores of others killed for tactical advantage.............
DD |
Ddboob, I declare you an enemy of the people for spreading your little pacifist socialist lies!
If this were a perfect world, you would be cornholed and shot without further delay.
We'd cornhole you first. It's not like we are savages.
The people have spoken! |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:50 am Post subject: |
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Otis - you're a twisted bastid aren't you?
I can't decide if you're a pilled up, scarcastic genius a la Hunter Thompson, or a bitter drunk with a hard on for guns and easy answers.
That last post has me leaning latterways.
At least DD has hope for the situation, and has proposed a solution. All I hear out of you are your S&M fantasies about executions and sodomy. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
At least DD has hope for the situation, and has proposed a solution. All I hear out of you are your S&M fantasies about executions and sodomy. |
Bah. DD thinks Al Qaeda is an invention just like Alfred Hitchcock's villains. They deserve each other. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:24 am Post subject: yes |
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Yeah, and what do jews consider all non-jews? Unclean and uncivilized less than humans, if I am not mistaken.
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| Maybe the fact that we give them what we do prevents that. |
Or maybe the fact that they don't subscribe to a violent ideology that justifies the killing of infidels and that deems Jews 'pigs and apes'. I wonder how far the civil rights movement would have got if Martin Luther King had been engaged in suicide bombings.
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Some people do heineously violent things in desperate times. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:26 am Post subject: Re: yes |
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Luckily, indians are too busy killing their own kind or killing their own brain cells, that the worst we have to worry about is the odd gang beating that goes on.
Glue huffing is not desperate. It's downright disgraceful.
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Maybe the fact that we give them what we do prevents that.
People do desperate things in desperate times.
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It doesn't seem to prevent a good many from sniffing glue and drinking alcohol I'd say that seems pretty desperate. Yet they still don't go around blowing up innocent civilians. |
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guangho
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:29 am Post subject: Re: yes |
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Yeah, and what do jews consider all non-jews? Unclean and uncivilized less than humans, if I am not mistaken.
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No, that's the muslims actually. Have you seen Saudi textbooks comparing Jews and Christians to pigs? Maybe that's the whole problem- if I looked at the whole world outside of my own kind as being made up of and deserving the treatment meted out to swine, they probably wouldn't like me very much either. |
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endofthewor1d
Joined: 01 Apr 2003
Location: the end of the wor1d.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| Would you be happier if terrorists were crashing planes into maximum security prisons? |
i don't normally post in the current events forum, mostly because i don't feel i'm informed enough to do so. but the answer to this question seems simple enough. yes, i would. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:24 am Post subject: |
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Israel is kicking ass........
all the rest is mere commentary. |
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sundubuman
Joined: 04 Feb 2003
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:29 am Post subject: Re: yes |
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[quote="Ilsanman"]Yeah, and what do jews consider all non-jews? Unclean and uncivilized less than humans, if I am not mistaken.
how ignorant. there is an ancient jewish maxim that states that the non-jew who follows the torah is better than the jew that doesn't.
christianity and islam have never achieved such a moral breakthrough....
maybe that's why mecca and rome have been gunning for the jews for the better part of two millenia.
meanwhile, mecca and rome have failed miserably in bringing about peace to the muslim and christian worlds, which have suffered century upon century of bloodshed and hatred.....so much for being the true religion.....
meanwhile....judaism has regained control of the holy land......two millenia after it was replaced by christianity and 1300 years after it was replaced by islam.......
hmmmmm........maybe god is at work on earth today. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| dude, you're sounding as nutty as the fundies I met in the M.East. |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:28 am Post subject: Re: yes |
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meanwhile....judaism has regained control of the holy land......two millenia after it was replaced by christianity and 1300 years after it was replaced by islam.......
hmmmmm........maybe god is at work on earth today. |
Hmm.. maybe, just maybe.
Here are some quotes from some of god's agents
David Ben Gurion
Prime Minister of Israel
1949 - 1954,
1955 - 1963
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"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
-- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
"There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
-- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.
"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech. |
Golda Meir
Prime Minister of Israel
1969 - 1974
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"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
-- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.
"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."
-- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.
"Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen."
-- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961
"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy."
-- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971 |
Yitzhak Rabin
Prime Minister of Israel
1974 - 1977,
1992 - 1995
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"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
-- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.
"[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat."
-- Yitzhak Rabin (a "Prince of Peace" by Clinton's standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen's remarks to the Knesset's foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.) |
Menachem Begin
Prime Minister of Israel
1977 - 1983
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"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the 'Beasts,"' New Statesman, June 25, 1982.
"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
-- Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine. |
Yizhak Shamir
Prime Minister of Israel
1983 - 1984,
1986 - 1992
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"The past leaders of our movement left us a clear message to keep Eretz Israel from the Sea to the River Jordan for future generations, for the mass aliya (=Jewish immigration), and for the Jewish people, all of whom will be gathered into this country."
-- Former Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir declares at a Tel Aviv memorial service for former Likud leaders, November 1990. Jerusalem Domestic Radio Service.
"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."
-- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv, 02/21/1997.
"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988 |
Ehud Barak
Prime Minister of Israel
1999 - 2001
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"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more"....
-- Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
"If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak, quoted in Associated Press, November 16, 2000.
"I would have joined a terrorist organization."
-- Ehud Barak's response to Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Ha'aretz newspaper, when Barak was asked what he would have done if he had been born a Palestinian. |
Ariel Sharon
Prime Minister of Israel
2001 - present
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"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.
"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online |
Taken from http://www.monabaker.com/quotes.htm
I don't offer this as any comment on the Palestinians or Arabs in general, just to point out the utter hypocrisy of the sanctimonious attitudes of Israel and her apologists. Both sides are terrorists attacking civilians, but one side happens to be defending themselves against aggression. Israel uses the weapons of a state, Palestinians use whatever they can. Before they had a state army to use against the Palestinians, the pre-Israelis used bombs and terror against a civilian population. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| don't offer this as any comment on the Palestinians or Arabs in general, just to point out the utter hypocrisy of the sanctimonious attitudes of Israel and her apologists. Both sides are terrorists attacking civilians, but one side happens to be defending themselves against aggression. Israel uses the weapons of a state, Palestinians use whatever they can. Before they had a state army to use against the Palestinians, the pre-Israelis used bombs and terror against a civilian population |
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I don't think there is a military solution to this," he said. "But I know there's not a terrorist solution to it."
Clinton also said he disagreed with President Bush that peace can be achieved only when Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat is gone from power.
Nevertheless, he said it is important for the United States to remain involved because "Israelis believe that America is the only big country that cares if they live or die."
The ex-president said the best solution to the Middle East conflict is an interim settlement that would "establish a Palestinian state now."
But he stressed that the creation of such a state must be preceded by security assurances for Israel and a timetable to resolve other issues.
Clinton said Arafat made a "disastrous mistake" by turning down past peace proposals that would have given the Palestinian leader control of 97 percent of the West Bank.
Yet, Clinton said, "There is reason for hope.
"I think this will be resolved on the terms the Palestinians walked away from." |
Hamas won't give up their war that is the reason for the most recent violence.
Anyway Israel's enemies persecuted their minority groups far worse than anything Israel does.
Also
by the way you are taking the first Golda Meir quote out of context.
She meant there was never a independent Palestinian state in the history of the world .
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-- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.
Statement by Zuheir Mohsein, Member of the Supreme Council of the PLO:
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| "There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity, because it is in the interest of the Arabs to encourage a separate Palestinian identity in contrast to Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity is there only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new expedient to continue the fight against Zionism and for Arab unity |
Trouw (Dutch newspaper) March 31, 1977
So tell us Deadman was there?
Anyway I hope that the Palestinians do get their state.
but that does not change the fact that Arafat was a horrible corrupt evil thug and Hamas is a fascist group.
So I hope the Palestinians get their state but not with any sort of leadership like Hamas or Arafat |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Otis - you're a twisted bastid aren't you?
I can't decide if you're a pilled up, scarcastic genius a la Hunter Thompson, or a bitter drunk with a hard on for guns and easy answers.
That last post has me leaning latterways.
At least DD has hope for the situation, and has proposed a solution. All I hear out of you are your S&M fantasies about executions and sodomy. |
What? Now you are putting down sodomy?
Well, I guess that makes you a homophobe, doesn't it, my friend?
That's unacceptable! We have another enemy of the people!
This man is no friend of the homosexual community!
One could almost call his sexual hangups...dare I say it...bourgeois.
Well, let the punishment fit the crime. This man should be cornholed and shot at dawn!
We'll cornhole him first. We might as well let him leave the world with a smile on his face. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| such a mature discussion this thread is. |
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AbbeFaria
Joined: 17 May 2005
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| such a mature discussion this thread is. |
It could use some lightening up. Some folks on here take themselves-and their politics-too seriously. As if anything we say matters to anyone but ourselves. So let him joke. It's funny.
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