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Milwaukiedave
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Larry King is about as worthless a use of the public airwaves as any program going, but he occasionally does book a guest worth listening to. Even stopped clocks...
Anyway, tonight he had David Gergen, who is always worth listening to and James Carville, who is a hoot when he isn't enlightening, among some others.
At the end, Carville (Clinton's strategist in '92) made a fascinating comment that deserved much more time. He said the Republicans are in danger of becoming a regional party. I can't quote him word for word, but the gist was that if the Dems take the northern Senate/House races that are toss-ups at this point, then it would indicate the GOP has lost its attraction outside its core base.
He wasn't saying it would happen, just that that is one possibility. It made me smile. |
"Hello, I'm Larry King! 20,000 interviews..and I'm just warming up."
Yeah I have to agree with you on that one.
Carville is a kick in the pants. That guy makes me laugh. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:12 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy, don't you mean 9am Korean time?
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YIKES!!!!
Is that right? I just got CNN and am still struggling with that 24 clock nonsense and the time difference between here and Hong Kong. 
REALLY????
(AM would make more sense, but CRAP!!! I want to watch it.) |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:54 am Post subject: |
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The time difference from here to LA is 17 hours.... but it is easier for me to think 7 hours ahead, but a day back. So, as I write this it is 10:48 PM in Korea, so 5:48 AM in LA. Today.
9 AM here Wednesday would be 4 PM LA/7PM NY on Tuesday. Seems about right for election coverage. Most polls close at 7 PM, right? So first polls would close on the East Coast at 4 PM LA/7 PM NY... or 9 AM here. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:33 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
At the end, Carville (Clinton's strategist in '92) made a fascinating comment that deserved much more time. He said the Republicans are in danger of becoming a regional party. I can't quote him word for word, but the gist was that if the Dems take the northern Senate/House races that are toss-ups at this point, then it would indicate the GOP has lost its attraction outside its core base. |
Haven't they been saying the same thing about the Dems (that they've become a regional party)? Over the last couple of elections, they've lost their wide spread appeal, and have only been holding on to the Northeast, Upper Midwest, and West Coast. Of course, you can't tell much from a few elections. But the last Dem Presidential candidate to carry the South was Carter. If you look at the long term trends, the regional biases have essentially flipped.
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| Cool map. Excepting the fact that political party platforms actually change quite a bit, it does show how fickle we are. |
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Gopher
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Haven't they been saying the same thing about the Dems (that they've become a regional party)? |
Yes, they have, but that is bad news and I reserve the right to ignore it. Carville's semi-prediction is good news and I prefer to focus on it. 
That was a terrific graphic you posted. It's interesting reading party history and watching the two gradually swap platforms over time. |
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EFLtrainer
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Gopher
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:17 am Post subject: |
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We need to clone Bill.
Clinton on Republican Campaign
Stay on till he talks about the Founders at the very end. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:58 am Post subject: |
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| The most striking thing about huffdaddy's map is how often third-party candidates took states (I'm taking that states that were grey after they graduated from being territories as third-party victories). |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:46 am Post subject: |
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If you look at the long term trends, the regional biases have essentially flipped.
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This is true.
My grandmother, born in the 1880's, said she'd never voted for the Democrats. They were the party of treason. She voted for Lincoln's party of progressive Union and business. Even FDR wasn't able to change her mind.
My dad never voted for a Republican. They were the party of the priviledged rich who didn't care what happened in the rest of the world. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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Bush Won't Have This Congress to Kick Around
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With former House Majority Leader Tom Delay (R-TX) and U.S. Senate Majority Leader Sen. Bill Frist (R-TN) gone, President Bush might have to adopt a new attitude toward Congress. Getty Images
NPR.org, November 6, 2006 � Whatever happens on this Election Day, Washington will change.
Scenario One: The Democrats take control of both the House and Senate. President Bush will either have to adopt a new attitude toward Democrats... or he will spend his last two years as president in a fighting retreat.
Scenario Two: The Democrats capture the House but remain the minority in the Senate... will necessitate almost as radical a shift in White House strategy as Scenario One.
Scenario Three: The GOP holds both chambers of Congress by the narrowest of margins. If this is the case, we can still expect to see the Republicans change leaders in both chambers and change their way of doing business, as well...
In the late days of this campaign, attention has focused on control of the Senate... But the main business of this election is still control of the House.
In the Senate, majority control means comparatively little unless the majority can muster 60 votes on important issues. So whichever party is nominally in control of a 50-50 split (or its near equivalent) will be rather hamstrung and dependent on diplomacy.
In the House, however, the party with even the barest majority can set all the rules and call the tune every day. One party decides the agenda and that's it. Simple majority votes suffice for most of the important business before the body...
...that's why the standard procedure of the Bush years should be a thing of the past in the 110th Congress, whichever of the three Election Day scenarios eventuates this week. |
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EFLtrainer
Joined: 04 May 2005
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Exit Polling - The Issues
From MSNBC exit polls, not generic polls:
Wrong Track 55 yes - 41 No
National v.s Local Issues 62 - 33
Bush Approval 41 - 58
Congress Approval 36 - 62 |
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EFLtrainer
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I'm quite content to have someone of this repuation "frothing at the mouth" with me about the importance of this election.
Gore Vidal:
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We�re facing the most important election in my lifetime�which does not quite extend back to that of Abraham Lincoln, but it�s pretty close. There�ll be nothing more important in the voting line that one can foresee that will come our way while any of us is still hobbling around. This will determine whether we regain the republic which we have lost over the last five years.
The coup d�etat was so rapid that even I, who am ready for such things ... I thought, these people are going to make a grab for it. But I thought, my heavens, there�s still the courts.... Even a shameless Supreme Court is not going to back up the loss of habeas corpus....
So, my fellow countrymen, as I sit here, not yet at Gettysburg, I have a notion that this is the most important vote that you�ll probably ever cast. Because should this gang of thugs continue in the two houses of Congress, there isn�t any chance of getting the Constitution back....
This is the last chance, really, by getting some new chairpersons to head committees in the House ... to have a clean sweep, which, in normal times, if we�d ever enjoyed them, would have happened by now. Now it has got to happen, or welcome to the Third Reich. |
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