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red dog
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Is that really the whole story? I always wonder about these "ex-vegetarian" tales. |
What's to wonder? Are you suggesting that I'm lying?
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No, but it's very hard to understand why something that was important to you for three years is now so unimportant that you feel the need to make a mockery of it on message boards. Are you seriously telling us that you started eating meat because you felt bad about annoying people or thought you were imposing on them? That's what you seem to be implying.
Obviously I'm responsible for my own food and people are responsible for their own feelings. If other people choose to worry when it's unnecessary, that's their problem. Of course I've faced more than a few awkward situations in restaurants, but that's life. In Korea, when I had to eat in regular restaurants because of work obligations, most of the time most people did their best to minimize the problems -- and I was grateful for their help. A few times, people asked me if they could come with me to a vegetarian restaurant because they were genuinely interested in trying the food. That didn't happen every day, but when it did it was nice. I also had a chance to meet some nice Korean vegetarians, and other Koreans who were moving in that direction. It was a good time in my life, overall, despite the inconveniences, and I don't regret being myself and doing what I felt was right. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| gang ah jee wrote: |
| red dog wrote: |
| Is that really the whole story? I always wonder about these "ex-vegetarian" tales. |
What's to wonder? Are you suggesting that I'm lying?
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| Actually, most Koreans I worked with were polite and helpful where my eating habits were concerned. Maybe they were annoyed with you for some other reason? |
See, I can't speak for your coworkers and friends, but mine found constantly worrying about whether or not I would be able to eat decently at any given restaurant quite a burden. Maybe you just don't notice, being so preoccupied with basking in the glow of moral superiority. |
I wish I could just fly under the radar where my eating habits are concerned. I can get by at most places, some better than others. If there's very little for me to eat, that's fine-- I'm trying to lose weight anyway. Koreans tend to get pretty flustered about it though, and it's hard to reassure them. I do feel guilty when people worry and fret, but on the other hand, I've had to compromise quite a bit here, and eat things I normally wouldn't have touched back home.
By the way, I'd never ask 10 people to forgo a pepperoni pizza on account of me, by the way. I just pay for an extra veggie and take the rest home. |
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Dan The Chainsawman
Joined: 05 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:23 am Post subject: |
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I find it an interesting contrast of how people view each other. It is easy to find faults with the Vegans, but the drunk idiots puking on the sidewalk after porking out on Galbhi is ok?
Seems to me someone stating an opinion over eating preferences would be the least of your worries in the world. I don't have a whole lot of Vegan friends, but its pretty easy to deal with them. When I am out and about with them I just eat Vegan. It isn't a hard thing to do, and I don't mind doing it as most of the time I have been impressed with some of the Vegan eateries here in Seoul.
On the rare occasion I have found myself eating with a Group of people and one of them is a Vegan I only noticed it being a problem when the Vegan is the sort of abrasive scrote you would want to flush down a toilet.
Pretty simple though... The person is a scrote for being an abrasive dickwad. Not for being a vegan. You can't lump a life style with the personality of the individual. Just because a person is vegan doesn't automatically imply they will be a preachy cunt. Chances are if that turns out to be the fact, and they are a preaching moron, then logic would dictate that if it wasn't vegetarianism being spewed at you then it would be something else.
In short.. Don't hate vegetarianism just because some people choose to preach the virtures of bean curds over T-Bone steaks in ways that are construed as grating and annoying. Dislike the individual for being a tactless dickhead who ought to be walked out back and given a good beating.
Cause in the end their is alway some turd out their who feels the need to preach whatever it is that floats their boat. Doesn't matter what it is at the moment, but give them 2 seconds and they will be trying to work you up into a full rabid lather concerning the fate of Fruit Flies in Lower Slobovia. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
By the way, I'd never ask 10 people to forgo a pepperoni pizza on account of me, by the way. I just pay for an extra veggie and take the rest home. |
Not to mention, half and half? |
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red dog
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:28 am Post subject: |
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Dan The Chainsawman:
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When I am out and about with them I just eat Vegan. It isn't a hard thing to do, and I don't mind doing it as most of the time I have been impressed with some of the Vegan eateries here in Seoul.
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Hey, you're not all bad, Dan. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Dan's a good man - he even showed up to a veggie club gathering once. Under oath he'd have to admit that I'm not really the preachy type - mainly just a clown and joker ... |
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flotsam
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Dan The Chainsawman:
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When I am out and about with them I just eat Vegan. It isn't a hard thing to do, and I don't mind doing it as most of the time I have been impressed with some of the Vegan eateries here in Seoul.
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Hey, you're not all bad, Dan. |
Once again we learn, "not all bad" to crimson puppy means "think the way I do". An absolutely ridiculous human being.
In any event, this thread has gotten a bit melodramatic. I was a veg for 6 years before going to Korea, ate meat while I was there, and am a veg again.
I never have troubles with this. My friends and I don't squabble over restaurant choices and my parents aren't annoyed. Actually, before I went to Korea in '97 one of them became a veggie(my dad) and the other didn't (guess which one) and they lived together with no problem whatsoever. Including cooking meals and sitting down to eat them.
In the end, what's the difference between having an Indian vegetarian friend, friends who eat hallal or kosher, a lactose intolerant friend, or one of those people who say "I don't like green vegetables" or "I don't eat meat with bones in it" and just a vegetarian one. Of course those last two examples are pretty artarded from my point of view, but I have somehow managed to soldier on with my friendships with those people.
Observations on the vegetarian problematic:
1. If you are a veggie who screams at waitresses because the cook fried your omlette on the same skillet as he cooks the bacon, you are an artard.
2. If you are a non-veg who moans like a heiffer with a stump up its rump when the veg at the table asks, "Is there meat in the Quiche?" you are an artard.
3. If you are an person who says "I only respect people who are veggies due to religious beliefs," you are an artard. That's like saying, "I only respect people who refrain from murder based on religious beliefs." Ethics and religion are not inseparable--and there are many rational ethical reasons for being a veggie--and many have nothing to do with killing.
4. If you proselytize, for anything, you are an artard.
5. If you are a moronic whining, insensate fanatic who can't take the time to put her views in perspective and persistently continue a stubborn line of wailing and moaning, thinking that this will someday wear people down into agreeing with your poorly expressed and explained point of view, but fail to realize that you are actually bothering people so much you have become the poster child for the thread and have damaged the reputations of the belief system and practices you claim to support and have thus really started to embarass and annoy the people who share superficially similar beliefs to yours(superficial because they want no association with your idiocy), then, yes, you are an artard.
Ae-deul-ra! Annyeong!! ^^
P.S. If you worship a blue prancey dude, you are pretty much an uberartard.
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:43 am Post subject: |
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If you enjoy belittling people - while resembling a giant blowfish yourself - you just might be an annoying jerk ...  |
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Dan The Chainsawman
Joined: 05 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:02 am Post subject: |
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I once again point out the obvious.
It isn't the vegetarianism that makes the person stand out as a raving nutter, but the personal choices of the person to come across in an abrasive preachy manner. These are the sorts of people who if they weren't vegan would be going on about something else or another. Some gobshites just need a flavor of the month cause to piss people off about. |
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Dan The Chainsawman
Joined: 05 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:03 am Post subject: |
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| By the way, wtf is an "artard"? |
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red dog
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Some *beep* just need a flavor of the month cause to piss people off about.
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I don't remember animal rights ever having been the flavor of the month ... and I think I would have noticed. |
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Dan The Chainsawman
Joined: 05 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| Animal Rights tastes a lot like chicken. |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| The most annoying, though, are vegeterian Christian Canadians. Get them going on any of those topics and you'll be ready to eat them, burn your Bible, and declare war on Canadia. |
*runs out of the room sobbing* |
I made a girl cry.. YES!!!  |
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Qinella
Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| red dog wrote: |
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| Actually, most Koreans I worked with were polite and helpful where my eating habits were concerned. Maybe they were annoyed with you for some other reason? |
I think it more likely the annoyed people were those of us who stop in pretty much any restaurant and eat.
Nothing against vegetarians, but stay the *beep* away until after meal times. |
Vegetarians follow you around to restaurants where there's nothing for them to eat? Sorry, I can't relate. |
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| Are you seriously telling us that you started eating meat because you felt bad about annoying people or thought you were imposing on them? That's what you seem to be implying. |
Intentionally being obtuse in a thread about how annoying vegetarians are is not going to help you very much. It's not cute, it doesn't make you look smart, no one is entertained.. really it's just annoying, because people have to clarify something that was already clear, and then you botch up the clarification and they have to go clarifying that..
What is there to wonder about ex-vegetarians, though? I am one. Started up the omnivore thing once I got to Korea, though. Not all of us are raving psychopaths about it.. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:42 am Post subject: |
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Came across the following pic and thought this thread might be a good place to share (it was either here or one of the religion threads):
(Yeah, it's crass as hell, but I admit I laughed when I saw it) |
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