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Walter Mitty
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Tokyo! ^.^
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 Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| This, from a man whose government calls the Korean war with the near complete destruction of the country with more than two million dead and many more wounded simply "a police action". |
Hell, the US gov't has done much worse that that - and will likely do so again in the future. I'm no "blind faith" patriot. I like the US fine, but I'm the first to admit that there's plenty wrong with it. No country is perfect, but there's nothing wrong with liking what's good about your homeland. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Walter Mitty wrote: |
| Hell, the US gov't has done much worse that that - and will likely do so again in the future. I'm no "blind faith" patriot. I like the US fine, but I'm the first to admit that there's plenty wrong with it. No country is perfect, but there's nothing wrong with liking what's good about your homeland. |
You missed the point completely. In one hand, you're going off about how people in Korea are insensitive to the horrors that was the Septemeber 11 terrorist attacks while in the other hand you're discounting countless numbers of other tragedies that have occured that were much worse in every shape, colour, and form.
You are what you seek to condemn, in that you are condemning others for not being sensitive enough to the horrors of others. |
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Walter Mitty
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Tokyo! ^.^
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| Walter Mitty wrote: |
| Hell, the US gov't has done much worse that that - and will likely do so again in the future. I'm no "blind faith" patriot. I like the US fine, but I'm the first to admit that there's plenty wrong with it. No country is perfect, but there's nothing wrong with liking what's good about your homeland. |
You missed the point completely. In one hand, you're going off about how people in Korea are insensitive to the horrors that was the Septemeber 11 terrorist attacks while in the other hand you're discounting countless numbers of other tragedies that have occured that were much worse in every shape, colour, and form.
You are what you seek to condemn, in that you are condemning others for not being sensitive enough to the horrors of others. |
No, I didn't. I acknowledge what the US has done and don't discount it. I don't make jokes about it either. Do children in America make jokes about little girls getting crushed beneath the treads of an armored vehicle? |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| No, I didn't. |
Yes you did. You went on about how "Koreans" can't relate to a massive loss of life (that itself is a racist comment, by the way), yet completely discount the number of jokes in the American public that made humour of countles other tragedies or suggest that WTC attack is somehow worse than other incidents when more people died.
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| Do children in America make jokes about little girls getting crushed beneath the treads of an armored vehicle? |
They would if they had heard about it. Instead they make jokes about things have heard about such as Osami Bin Laden, Iraqi troops, French foreign policy, and other lovely current events. |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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HELLBENDERS!!
No topic is sacred with American comedians. People joke about EVERYTHING. By the way, it's OFTEN healthy to make light of tragedy, doctors do it EVERY SINGLE DAY. |
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Walter Mitty
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Tokyo! ^.^
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2003 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| Walter Mitty wrote: |
| No, I didn't. |
Yes you did. You went on about how "Koreans" can't relate to a massive loss of life (that itself is a racist comment, by the way), yet completely discount the number of jokes in the American public that made humour of countles other tragedies or suggest that WTC attack is somehow worse than other incidents when more people died. |
No, I didn't. I made a conditional statement, which I'll quote here. "If they can't relate - even on a sympathetic human level - to a massive loss of life, they can stay where they are in relation to the rest of the world."
You can call it racist, but it's a generalization. Perhaps too general. Do I think nobody in Korea can relate? Obviously not. There are some people in Korea who can see a tragedy for what it is - no matter where in the world it happens.
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| Walter Mitty wrote: |
| Do children in America make jokes about little girls getting crushed beneath the treads of an armored vehicle? |
They would if they had heard about it. Instead they make jokes about things have heard about such as Osami Bin Laden, Iraqi troops, French foreign policy, and other lovely current events. |
Generally speaking (here I go again), Iraqi troops are a joke compared to most of the coalition forces. How much does any American child know about French foreign policy? Jack squat. All they know is "freedom fries" and jokes about the French surrendering "at the drop fo a hat" during WW2.
And, while this does not reflect the attitude of all Koreans, when's the last time a song like this came out of the US - or any other western country? http://www.ndfsk.dyn.to/ndfsk/com_apr11_3.htm |
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duanemyhre
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
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| As for your low opinion of people who were "brought up" to laugh at jokes about people dying, in my experience most people aren't brought up that way. A taste for morbid humor seems to kick in sometime around middle school. I think most parents would instruct their children NOT to laugh at such things, which is probably good. |
On the other hand
I would have to agree with you. I am just disappointed to see that teachers are letting their students get away with saying these things and even contributing to the jokes!
I haven�t started teaching in Korea yet, but I have taught in the US and Japan and this subject matter would never fly in my school. This is the kind of situation where students see my dark side and learn about respect for other people.
Walter Mitty
My first gut feeling is to do what you said! Fight fire with fire. It is easy to do, but with students I believe it is not the behavior you want to teach them. It sounds like they get enough of that at home.
Gord
I would have to disagree with you. Over 200,000 died in Hiroshima, and I think it is a big deal! I wasn�t even alive when this happened. I consider it to be just as bad as the 911 incident and� it was during a legitimate war.
Sure, it might feel worse at the time but common sense tells us that when many innocent people die, it�s just not funny and it is all equally bad.
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| This, from a man whose government calls the Korean war with the near complete destruction of the country with more than two million dead and many more wounded simply "a police action". |
First problem was that we had a POS president like Clinton in office at that time. F*#k brains like that don�t think with the head on their shoulders and every word that comes out of their mouths is a lie! At least our current pres says what he thinks and does what he says. (I�m getting off topic)
Second� were we not there to help? I guess no US military died in this conflict, right? Its only bad when people other than Americans die!?
I really hate constantly hearing about this BS. It is amazing that so many people forget when their countries were begging the US to come and save their As*. I wonder how the US would have been viewed if we would have let these other �Master Race� countries wipe other countries and their people off the map. We could have just said, �It sounds like YOUR problem!� At least there would a lot less people to complain about the US today!
mack the knife
I think most of the children we are talking about are far from Med School! |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:30 am Post subject: |
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As any expat reader would have already guessed, the link is to F*CKING USA. God, the whiner crowd talks about this song likes its MEIN KAMPF or something.
The last time such a hateful ditty came out of a western country? Well, I recall hearing about a song that got some airplay in the States during the Iranian hostage crisis, 1979. Never heard it myself, and it was probably one of those things that some "shock jock" puts together at a radio station, but, here goes, to the tune of BARBARA ANN:
Bomb bomb bomb
bomb bomb Iran
Bomb bomb bomb
bomb bomb Iran
Bomb bomb Iraaaan
Bomb Bomb Iraaaan"
Catchy, isn't it? At least F*cking USA doesn't contain any calls to bomb America. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| It's not the song that gets me, it's fact they take the medal thing so seriously. I think they DO have some legitimate complaints about the US, but when they lump this triffling affair in with the important stuff it just makes them look immature, desperate, and confused. |
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Walter Mitty
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Location: Tokyo! ^.^
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
| It's not the song that gets me, it's fact they take the medal thing so seriously. I think they DO have some legitimate complaints about the US, but when they lump this triffling affair in with the important stuff it just makes them look immature, desperate, and confused. |
Amen! |
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Homer
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 6:25 am Post subject: |
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duanemyhre,
You said the president that was in office during the Korean war was a lier and a bunch of other things...you are aware that you are talking about Harry Truman, right?
Mr. Containment and atom bomb on hiroshima and nagasaki.
Not exactly a "soft" president....... |
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Walter Mitty
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 6:58 am Post subject: |
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As any expat reader would have already guessed, the link is to F*CKING USA. God, the whiner crowd talks about this song likes its MEIN KAMPF or something.
The last time such a hateful ditty came out of a western country? Well, I recall hearing about a song that got some airplay in the States during the Iranian hostage crisis, 1979. Never heard it myself, and it was probably one of those things that some "shock jock" puts together at a radio station, but, here goes, to the tune of BARBARA ANN:
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Catchy, isn't it? At least F*cking USA doesn't contain any calls to bomb America. |
"Whiner crowd?" Please. The first time I heard the song I laughed my ass off. "F*cking USA" is nothing more than misguided nationalistic bile set to music - hardly comparable to Mein Kampf. I cited it as an example of blind hate in the name of "pride." The lyrics deny the one basic truth of the whole short track debacle:
"A wretched thief, f*cking U.S.A. that stole our Olympic gold medal"
Did Ohno "steal" the medal? No, it was given to him by the Australian judge when Kim was disqualified. That many Koreans won't acknowledge this simple fact is nothing more than immaturity parading around as patriotism.
As to Vince Vance's "Bomb Iran" song, I hope you're not using this example to compare the loss of a medal to having 52 people held hostage for 444 days. |
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duanemyhre
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
duanemyhre,
You said the president that was in office during the Korean war was a lier and a bunch of other things...you are aware that you are talking about Harry Truman, right?
Mr. Containment and atom bomb on hiroshima and nagasaki.
Not exactly a "soft" president....... |
Truman was not as soft as Clinton. I think that is almost impossible for another president to reflect that same degree incompetence, unless Gore ever makes it into office. I�m referring to his misguided judgment and tendency to lie.
This is not to say he was not soft. After all, the reason he didn�t want to call it a war and push through NK is because he was whimpering and worrying about China and Russia. We all know what happened in the end. Today we still have to deal with that BS. George Bush Senior made the same mistake with the gulf war. He is a good guy, but didn�t have the resolve needed to be president. Some might say it was just a mistake.
As far as the atom bomb, no one really knew about the long term effects and problems it would cause on the people.
NK could suffer a simular fate as Japan if they are not careful. That would suck for those of us here in Korea.
I should clarify my previous statement. In the history of the United States of America, we have never had such a disgrace for a president as clinton. |
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duanemyhre
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
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That song is pretty funny! I have to download a copy!
It is sad that these people take games so seriously! No problem that their northern brothers might nuke em. That�s OK! At least it�s not the Americans or Japanese. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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| As to Vince Vance's "Bomb Iran" song, I hope you're not using this example to compare the loss of a medal to having 52 people held hostage for 444 days. |
No, obvioulsy having your citizens held hostage is worse than losing a gold medal. But, I'd say bombing would a somewhat disproportianate response, given that many Iranian civilians would likely die. Or did Mr Vance's song contain a few lines about the need to avoid civilian casualties?
By the way, I guess that song was more famous than I imagined in Grade 7. I apologize for my "lone shock jock" assessment. |
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