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Hillary Clinton on Korean "historical amnesia"
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found in Myeong Dong:

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Sleepy in Seoul



Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otus wrote:
Ha ha quite something to see a Kiwi (forgive me if I'm wrong) running to the defence of the French over the US. Perhaps it was really American agents who committed the greatest act of terrorism in New Zealand waters ever and blew the hell out of a Greenpeace ship designed for peaceful protests.

Who's defending the French? I was merely using them as an example.
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MissSeoul



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
Location: Somewhere in America

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Hillary Clinton on Korean "historical amnesia" Reply with quote

charlieDD wrote:

On a tangent: Like I said, 99% of Americans know next to nothing about Korea. They seem to know more about North Korea! Mention you lived and worked in Korea and you'll get . . "North Korea?" That's how much they know. They don't even know that no foreigners go live and work in North Korea ! Koreans really have a grander view of their importance in the world than the reality.



Man, where do you live ?
Idaho ??? the State of potatoes ??
The State I live everyone know korea, they can tell the difference from south korea from north korea, they can tell Hyundai, Samsung and LG are made in south korea...etc.
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charlieDD



Joined: 16 Jun 2006
Location: Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Hillary Clinton on Korean "historical amnesia" Reply with quote

MissSeoul wrote:
charlieDD wrote:

On a tangent: Like I said, 99% of Americans know next to nothing about Korea. They seem to know more about North Korea! Mention you lived and worked in Korea and you'll get . . "North Korea?" That's how much they know. They don't even know that no foreigners go live and work in North Korea ! Koreans really have a grander view of their importance in the world than the reality.



Man, where do you live ?
Idaho ??? the State of potatoes ??
The State I live everyone know korea, they can tell the difference from south korea from north korea, they can tell Hyundai, Samsung and LG are made in south korea...etc.


Yeah, right ! Now I know the credibility issue people have with you, Miss Seoul, is not baseless.
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MissSeoul



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately many young korean start anti-American feeling from anti-Gis in korea. I am a pro-America/American, however let me tell you why so many young korean have anti-GIs feeling and to some of them anti-GIs = Anti-American.

When I grow up, GIs in korea have come up regular news subject, usually it's incident of rape korean girls or kill korean women or try not to pay fee to taxi drivers after riding, so they get in fighting with korean taxi drivers.

Unfortunately anti-American feeling for young korean start with these kind of news. Unfortunately GIs in korea make bad news regularly and
nobody seem to stop their behaviors. SAD REALLY !!

I know 99% GIs in korea are good soldiers, but there are a few make bad news and these unfortunate incidents keep happening again, again...
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if anyone raised the point of, say, Korea vs Holland. The dutch school children are schooled from early on about the sacrifices made by the allied soldiers in liberating them. Canadians for example were a big part of the operation to liberate Holland. Canadian veterans are held in awe and esteem. The idea that a statue dedicated to any allied leader might have to be moved because a significant segment of society finds it a stain on their pride would send the Dutch into a tizzy.

Korean kids barely seem aware the role America had in saving it from the Japanese, let alone the horrors of North Korean and Chinese occupation. Pride does not allow them to admit it. And for christ stakes, Seoul's science museum can't even admit America landed on the moon before Korea:



It would have utterly killed them to put a little American flag there.
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charlieDD



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My father fought in Okinawa, one of the steps toward Korea's liberation. Spent his life with migraine headaches from a shrapnel injury he had received.

My father lost two brothers in war: one against the Japanese; one in Korea, killed by Chinese soldiers.

So, the sacrifice . . . and the affrontery of the Korean historical amnesia or lack of appreciation . . is personal to me.

I mentioned these facts only one time ever to a group of Korean university students. Their reaction was to squirm in their seats a bit, look away, then brush it off like I had said nothing.

The grandfather of a Thai friend of mine fought in the Korean war. He kept a Korean flag hanging in his little shack in northern Thailand since. My friend wanted to visit Korea. I helped him prepare everything; advised him to fly business class and be sure the return date was clearly within ten days; have plenty of cash on hand ($2,000) and credit cards; have proof of the land he owned and the farm his family ran; and to bring a copy of the letter showing his grandfather was a Korean War veteran. No use. He was rejected at immigration and sent back to Thailand on the next flight. Why? Because he also carried a letter from me indicating he would be staying with me - - for when they asked him where he would be staying. I provided all my details. The aujulshi got pissed about him having a letter from an American. I called the office when they were holding him and when I asked him if he had seen the document - - a Korean gov't document . . showing my friend's grandfather was a Korean War veteran . . He said "I don't believe it." And then went off on me, in Korean language, about how dare I think that just because I was an American I could write a letter that could help this Thai person enter Korea. "This is Korea; This is Not America"
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