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normalcyispasse
Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Yeosu until the end of February WOOOOOOOO
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Actually, I imagine that -- based on personal experience -- the plant is legal here in Korea. I base this on the fact that when I bought a bunch of plants from my local nursery ajumma back in 2005, she gave me some salvia seeds.
Not knowing that the plant was potentially psychoactive, I planted the seeds in a windowsill box and tended them carefully.
They grew up nice and hearty. Beautiful purple flowers, too.
It was only after the plants had come and gone that I was informed that I'd grown a funny drug. Oops. |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| normalcyispasse wrote: |
Actually, I imagine that -- based on personal experience -- the plant is legal here in Korea. I base this on the fact that when I bought a bunch of plants from my local nursery ajumma back in 2005, she gave me some salvia seeds.
Not knowing that the plant was potentially psychoactive, I planted the seeds in a windowsill box and tended them carefully.
They grew up nice and hearty. Beautiful purple flowers, too.
It was only after the plants had come and gone that I was informed that I'd grown a funny drug. Oops. |
Salvia is just sage. The salvia everyone is talking about in this thread is salvia divinorum. If you got any seeds here it was just ordinary sage used in cooking. Salvia divinorum is definitely illegal in Korea. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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After i gained consciousness i felt really weird, like i had experienced something that made me feel like reality was not really reality. Like it is all fake. The only thing i can compare the feeling to is the movie The Matrix like when he realizes nothing is real. I felt odd like this for about 2 weeks. I thought I would never think normal thoughts again about life. Thankfully that horrible feeling passed. I have since never done salvia and have no intentions on ever doing so again.
All i can say is it is a very powerful substance, and it is definitely spiritual. But spiritual experiences as i had learned are not always pleasent. I am still amazed at how reality can be transformed literally in seconds. The mind is very powerful. |
You really hit the point right here.
My experiences with mushrooms left the same impression on me and still to this day from time to time I wonder if everything around me is real or an illusion.
It's scary stuff and either I've been rewarded with a new sense of reality or I'm going insane.
Perhaps both.
Whatever the case, I strongly feel that mushrooms, salvia, LSD, and hell even herb are susbstances that ultimately relate to the state of death and what happens afterwards.
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It sounds like mild depression more than anything else. I'd be interested in hearing someone who has experienced the drug-induced feeling of unreality and depression explain how they are different. |
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traxxe
Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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I never felt more connected, close, and understanding of the world around me than after my mushrooms experience.
I went in with an agenda in my head and kept control. The experience helped me conceptualize and consider thoughts about myself in ways I never before thought possible. I would say that mushrooms transformed me into a new being. A being who after the experience rationalized more freely and began to work towards self-improvement intellectually and emotionally.
I never felt disconnected. |
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patongpanda
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
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So, speaking of herbal highs...
Anyone know if Kratom has been scheduled in SK yet? It seems pretty cool. I would mind getting my hands on some.
I'd love to start and ethnobotanical nursery and grow all sorts of interesting plants! Not here of course... |
I don't know about SK but Thailand criminalised Kratom last year.
Why the f- did they do that? How can you criminalise a plant that grows wild all over the place? It's been used for such a long time without any problems it's pretty mild stuff.
Same thing in the UK they made possession of fresh mushrooms illegal. Did anyone complain? Do gangs of shroom-heads roam the streets mugging little old ladies? Was the NHS overwhelmed by shroom victims? What's the reasoning behind it???? |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| Draz wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| eddie1983man wrote: |
After i gained consciousness i felt really weird, like i had experienced something that made me feel like reality was not really reality. Like it is all fake. The only thing i can compare the feeling to is the movie The Matrix like when he realizes nothing is real. I felt odd like this for about 2 weeks. I thought I would never think normal thoughts again about life. Thankfully that horrible feeling passed. I have since never done salvia and have no intentions on ever doing so again.
All i can say is it is a very powerful substance, and it is definitely spiritual. But spiritual experiences as i had learned are not always pleasent. I am still amazed at how reality can be transformed literally in seconds. The mind is very powerful. |
You really hit the point right here.
My experiences with mushrooms left the same impression on me and still to this day from time to time I wonder if everything around me is real or an illusion.
It's scary stuff and either I've been rewarded with a new sense of reality or I'm going insane.
Perhaps both.
Whatever the case, I strongly feel that mushrooms, salvia, LSD, and hell even herb are susbstances that ultimately relate to the state of death and what happens afterwards.
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It sounds like mild depression more than anything else. I'd be interested in hearing someone who has experienced the drug-induced feeling of unreality and depression explain how they are different. |
huh? |
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rD.NaTas
Joined: 06 Nov 2007
Location: changwon
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| its legal in Canada and the States , why not here |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| How long does the high last? |
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rumdiary
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
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| How long does the high last? |
a few minutes |
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rD.NaTas
Joined: 06 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| but its one hell of a few mintutes....time is distorted so it feels alot longer |
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tfunk
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| Draz wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
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| After i gained consciousness i felt really weird, like i had experienced something that made me feel like reality was not really reality. . |
You really hit the point right here.
My experiences with mushrooms left the same impression on me and still to this day from time to time I wonder if everything around me is real or an illusion.
It's scary stuff and either I've been rewarded with a new sense of reality or I'm going insane.
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It sounds like mild depression more than anything else. I'd be interested in hearing someone who has experienced the drug-induced feeling of unreality and depression explain how they are different. |
I see a limited value in associating events with their corresponding emotional labels. If I made a post about the latest Cloverfield movie and you said 'it seems like a state of elation to me' then I'd think your response was out of context. Depression may be a relevant response to fact. The experiences of people on drugs are worth investigating. I think that human conditioned personality has resulted in a lot of suffering so I think that alternative modes of perception are at least worth trying - depression(the psychological plague of the democratic warrior) is better than a bayonet.
Changing subject....
Sometimes when a person is on drugs they are aware of their thoughts and their own actions. There is a feeling of distance between these events and the 'observing consciousness'. It is almost as if 'all the world is a stage' and even my own thoughts and behavior are conditioned and separate to me.
This feeling of disassociation with ones thoughts can result in two apparently opposite experiences:
1. Terror. The sense of isolation with 'events in the world' is so great that you seek any sort of identity, rebirth in any form. You seek to lose yourself in the world. What I mean is that you want to take the world seriously, because not taking the world seriously is like death.
After taking the drugs (in saner moments) you hope the experience will wear off, but you don't deny it's validity either...
Ignorance is bliss.
2. Love. The flip side of disassociation with your thoughts is the experience that 'there is no you'. The same experience can give rise to terror as there is a feeling of being totally groundless in eternity.
What is the difference between love and terror?
If I knew that I'd be making a fortune writing self help books on amazon. 
BTW, Bertrand Russell saved my life. |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok
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| come out druggies where ever you are...makes me so proud. |
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tfunk
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| come out druggies where ever you are...makes me so proud. |
I'm not a druggie. Argue any point with me and I'll explain. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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I see a limited value in associating events with their corresponding emotional labels. If I made a post about the latest Cloverfield movie and you said 'it seems like a state of elation to me' then I'd think your response was out of context. Depression may be a relevant response to fact. The experiences of people on drugs are worth investigating. I think that human conditioned personality has resulted in a lot of suffering so I think that alternative modes of perception are at least worth trying - depression(the psychological plague of the democratic warrior) is better than a bayonet. |
Well yeah... but the fact is he didn't actually DO anything. Nothing actually changed in his life. It sounds more like brain chemistry being out of whack than anything spiritual or enlightening. I'm a cynic when it comes to the brain though. |
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tfunk
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland
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The brain is a perspective. Useful in a context.
So many things are shot down because they can be explained in terms of 'brain chemistry', 'psychological conditioning' and other scientific terms.
Everything that you experience (i.e. the world) might be explained in terms of an electrochemical event within the brain but I think it is important to distinguish between the event and our description of the event. Describing an experience in electrochemical terms is a perspective or a way of relating to it.
A map of Korea is not the thing itself.
You should not mistake the menu for the meal.
The letters C A R will not drive you down the road.
I've never seen an atom or drank an H20.
Gotta go...I forget my point.  |
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