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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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Right. It is impossible to know about Mac without having owned one.  |
I'm not sure how you interpreted my previous post that way. I understand, however, that what I wrote has made you emotional so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
As for the armchair psychoanalysis: limp (as is usually the case) but I do enjoy your cult metaphors. Like I said, you're a funny guy. Really. |
Look, it seems you aren't playing with a full deck, and that is a shame. However, I too will give you the benefit of....sympathy.
Good luck, lonely person.
I find your ownership of a Mac ironically amusing.
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Sincinnatislink
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
Location: Top secret.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:33 am Post subject: |
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PC user DOS 5.0 through windows 98
I converted on the original bondi blue g3 imac that was running an early os x when I inherited it. That is a massively underpowered computer running a pretty new OS. I wrote several thousand pages of text on it, and it finally died on my parents 2 months ago. That's 8 years on what Apple openly marketed as a limited box when it was new. It ran x11 apps tolerably quickly at times.
I know more about computers running os x and can do more than I ever could on ms stuff than I could on my 386 or pentium III - that was a total of 10 years or so of practice, and I had more time to learn then, too. I'm on my 5th year or so of Macs.
Going from win98 to os x I had to ask how to remove a program from the computer ("You mean I just put it in the trash can?").
OP, your biggest problem will be thinking too hard. Every problem I had switching was that I expected something to be really hard. And it wasn't. |
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flummuxt
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:14 am Post subject: |
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I used professional model Macs on my last two jobs before coming to Korea.
They crashed. A lot. Far more than any PC I have ever used. At one job the models were a bit old, but the software was the same generation. At the second job the models were new, along with the software.
There is a lot of BS about Macs.
Vista has problems. But the new Mac software I used was far, far worse. The company had to pull at least one new Mac program and return to older software.
Most Mac people compare their computers against ancient PC stuff, like DOS or Windows 98. Frankly, the ones I have tried to have discussions with just don't know what they are talking about when it comes to PCs.
Once upon a time, Macs were great. I used some of the first Macs back in the 80s. Wonderful, intuitive machines.
Not any more.
I wouldn't take a Mac if you gave me one. And I saw some high end models dirt cheap at yard sales back home. One was being sold by a graphics designer I knew. I passed. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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The next Apple notebooks may no longer support optical drives (CDs/DVDs) as they want to focus on USB and wireless connectivity from a storage source (probably an Apple TV or storage server). This is their answer to an ultra-portable series in order to cut down on weight and make their notebooks even thinner.
So now we are looking at soggy keyboards that came from the 1980s and no DVD/blueray/HD drives. |
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faster
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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I used to work for a dot-com and had a Mac and a PC on my desk, as did everyone in the company. We had three full-time IT employees.
They were PC-only.
We didn't employ any IT workers for the Mac platform.
We just didn't need any. Our Macs never crashed, never crapped the bed.
I have a PC at home now & it eats $hit with alarming frequency. |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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I used to work for a dot-com and had a Mac and a PC on my desk, as did everyone in the company. We had three full-time IT employees.
They were PC-only.
We didn't employ any IT workers for the Mac platform.
We just didn't need any. Our Macs never crashed, never crapped the bed.
I have a PC at home now & it eats $hit with alarming frequency. |
My current PC has never crashed. However, I built it with name brand components and I also do not let spyware and virii onto my system.
Edit: That is not to say that I don't think Macs are reliable. I'm sure they are. However, my point is that a well-built, properly cared for PC can also be rock-solid reliable. To which you would then reply that Macs don't need any special maintenance, to which I would then reply that that is simply a matter of PCs being targeted for virii while Macs are not, and that OSX isn't necessarily any safer by design than Windows. And then we'd go round and round. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| Thunndarr wrote: |
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I used to work for a dot-com and had a Mac and a PC on my desk, as did everyone in the company. We had three full-time IT employees.
They were PC-only.
We didn't employ any IT workers for the Mac platform.
We just didn't need any. Our Macs never crashed, never crapped the bed.
I have a PC at home now & it eats $hit with alarming frequency. |
My current PC has never crashed. However, I built it with name brand components and I also do not let spyware and virii onto my system.
Edit: That is not to say that I don't think Macs are reliable. I'm sure they are. However, my point is that a well-built, properly cared for PC can also be rock-solid reliable. To which you would then reply that Macs don't need any special maintenance, to which I would then reply that that is simply a matter of PCs being targeted for virii while Macs are not, and that OSX isn't necessarily any safer by design than Windows. And then we'd go round and round. |
Spot on, Thundarr
Mac's are reliable in the right hands. PC's are reliable in the right hands too.
I don't think many PC users feel that a Mac is a bad computer. Or that Mac OS's are bad OS's. It's just that so many Mac users seem convinced that Windows is a terrible thing and that PC's always crash. It's simply not true. I can run my PC with Vista for weeks on end. The only time I restart is when I install or uninstall software.
So, come on, Mac users! Give it up! We PC/Windows users are very happy with our computers. They work. They're rock-solid. Plus we have thousands of software and hardware choices. Mac's don't.
Mac's don't work better than PC's. It's just that most tech-stupid people have Windows machines and they don't know how to use them. 95% of computers are using Windows. That equals a helluva lot of morons using Windows.
And yes, I've used Mac's. I thought they had slick GUI's but the incompatibility on the net thing and lack of hardware/software choices made me stick with Windows. |
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flummuxt
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| Mac's are reliable in the right hands. PC's are reliable in the right hands too. |
I don't agree. It wasn't my fault that the company Macs were crashing. It was the Macs.
And there are plenty of people who use PCs at work that don't have a clue how to do anything with the computers, who don't have problems. Install an antivirus program and an antispyware program and let them do their thing. No problems, usually.
One Mac person O knew said he switched to Macs because his PC was full of viruses. Gee, I wonder how that happened? Noooo, it wasn't his fault, it was the fault of the PCs.
From the best I can figure, the old Macs I used crashed because of memory management problems. This despite the bogus propaganda that Macs have superior memory management than PCS. PCs running DOS, yes. My coworkers were going for a half-hour or so, apparently, without saving complex graphics work. So the memory buffer was overloaded. I saved often, and crashed less often, but still at least once a day.
The new Macs I used had the latest just released OS, plus new software. The bugs had not been worked out. The system crashed at least every two hours. They eventually reverted to an older version of some software, and it crashed less often. This was not my fault, despite delusional coworkers insisting that Macs DON"T CRASH.
Say, would someone mind explaining to me why it makes any difference what OS you use these days? Is there ANYTHING that a Mac can do that a PC can't? I don't think so. They all use Intel or compatible CPUs now, right? No more of that mystical Motorola/IBM CPU mumbo jumbo about Macs being faster, despite CPUs running at less than half the speed.
Look, an OS is meant to work in the background. What counts are the programs, right? Who, besides a computer geek programmer cares about the OS? So why would anyone pay more, much more, for a computer that runs only a small fraction of the programs available to PCs?
I'll tell you why. To crow about their intellectual superiority for buying a Mac. I know because I had to listen to it virtually every day.
Sorry, but I'm not buying it.
Oh, I knew a fellow who used to work for Apple. He was one of the early management crew. He was in charge of national marketing. After 10 years with Apple, Jobs laid him off. Why? Cause Jobs had the bright idea of selling Apple through, get this, Wal-Mart! So he didn't need to spend any more money on marketing. The reason Apples are a dismal marketing failure is attributable to one person, and one person alone: Steve Jobs. That's the guy who had the nerve to name a computer after his daughter that he didn't ever see and didn't pay child support for. Lisa.
Jobs is one of the biggest con artists to ever come out of America.
Sorry, but that's what I truly believe. Apple could have walked right over the PCs, if it hadn't been for Jobs. Read you computer history books. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| Jobs is one of the biggest con artists to ever come out of America. |
On this, and quite a few other points you made, I totally agree. The i-pod and i-phone, and their spin-offs are a prime example of conning users into thinking they are buying something special. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| Jobs is one of the biggest con artists to ever come out of America. |
On this, and quite a few other points you made, I totally agree. The i-pod and i-phone, and their spin-offs are a prime example of conning users into thinking they are buying something special. |
You're preaching to the choir - I'm not about to drink the Mac Kool aid. |
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Henry VII
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:56 am Post subject: |
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Too many people are biased, as I once was, against Macs. At the time I hated them, they ran OS/9 - which did crash far more often than PCs of the time. That was years ago. Most of the people here bashing Macs haven't used a newer one.
The difference I find most striking is that I don't have to take care of my Mac. It's like the difference between a BMW and a Hyundai. You have to get an oil change every 3,000 miles on the Hyundai - but the BMW can last 15,000 miles before you need one. On my Mac, I don't have to run any anti-spyware programs like Adaware and I don't need another worthless copy of Norton or McAfee or whatever bogging down my resources.
Now, I have had third party software crash on my Mac - but that only crashed that program. There was no need to completely restart the system (nor does it restart itself).
For me, it is a matter of stress reduction. Macs are simply far less stressful to use than their PC counterparts. It may not run all of the games I want (without booting into Windows), but it still works like the day I bought it - two years later. For me, that's a record with any computer.
That is why I will own a Mac until a system with a better combination of features comes along. |
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flummuxt
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not about to drink the Mac Kool aid. |
That's a good way of putting it. Owning a Mac is like joining a cult.
But hey, if you want to buy a Mac, go right ahead. Just don't try to tell other people that they are better than their computers, etc. etc. etc. They aren't.
Sorry, Henry VII, but there are viruses for Macs. There is also antivirus software for Macs. But some businesses and personal users refuse to use it, insisting Mac viruses don't exist. For all I know, viruses could have been causing some of the problems at work, but they never ran an antivirus program to find out. And as I said, I was using the latest OS, released less than a year ago.
Also, there are very effective free antivirus programs for PCs.
Before you say there are no Mac viruses, why not try running an antivirus program and find out?
On the other hand, I can't remember the last time I had a virus on my PC. I use an antivirus program, so any scans I do come up clean.
Spyware is another matter. Scans after a day or two often show spyware. but how spyware is defined, I'm not sure. Generally, it seems they are cookies of some dubious nature.
Do Macs not use cookies? do you not scan for spyware cookies on your Mac? Then I would say that perhaps you are a sucker.
But the spyware software if free. Why there is so much good free software for PCs is a bit of a mystery to me; I'm not sure how they make their money.
As to Macs sometimes crashing due to third party software, but not the OS, let me tell you something: If you run your OS without loading any software, I will bet you a million won that your computer, PC or Mac, won't crash! So if you like looking at your computer OS screen for hours on end, by all means buy a Mac.
If you want to actually use your computer, guess what? Windows doesn't generally crash, either. Even my old Windows 98 computer stopped crashing somewhere around 1999, once they worked the bugs out. XP does not crash, though a program might. Vista, more or less the same; but Vista is buggy.
On the other hand, as I said over and over again, the Macs I used CRASHED. Not the programs, but the whole kit and caboodle operating system, without warning, shutting down everything, losing everything if you didn't save. This is called crashing by most people. Mac people call it "normal."
Oh, and I am not "biased." I am speaking from years of experience using Macs and PCs. I am stating fact, not delusional fantasy.
I used the early Macs. Great machines. Apple under Jobs has lost sight of the original concept: simplicity, intuitive functioning through pull down menus, rather than cryptic DOS operating line commands, easy to use graphics. Macs have become more like DOS PCs than most Apple people realize. As far as I know, Jobs has never written a line of computer code in his life. He was not the computer genius behind Apple.
And those Apple mice are horrible, horrible, horrible. Use one, and you will see. |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| You have to get an oil change every 3,000 miles on the Hyundai - but the BMW can last 15,000 miles before you need one. |
Is this true?  |
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flummuxt
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:44 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, Henry VII, how bout a footnote on this?
Now, let's see: Buy a BMW and save $30 on an oil change. Makes sense to me.
Except that these days they say change the oil every 5,000 miles on most cars. Unless you use synthetic. Then you can go 15,000 miles, even on a Hyundai.
Do you use synthetic oil in your Mac, Henry VII? |
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