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[Cheonmunka]

I think that was the right thing in the situation BK.
Teenagers have to learn what is proper. If they haven't learned that then it is better that someone grabs them, makes them think and I bet too that he will never do that again, and will even become a role model citizen.

I knew a chap, a Samoan fella, he was often teaching unruly teenagers in this way. Like many boys nowadays I didn't have a father from 15 years old. Although in a heavy-handed way Tommy did teach me enough to be very wary and cautious. It probably helped keep me alive.

[JongnoGuru]

When 15-, 16-yr-olds are acting like toddlers (except with knives, muscles & broken bottles) then it's pretty much out of the parents' hands anymore and unfortunately in the hands of society, "the authorities", and Darwin's Theory. Anyway, that age group is outside the scope of the thread topic.

[Boodleheimer]

people who take babies and toddlers to nice, classy restaurants are evil. mcdonalds? fine, i expect shrieking there.

and rteacher: no discipline until age 5???

[Rteacher]

You can try to convey the idea of "no" to kids under 5, but heavy physical or emotional discipline - or trying to train them like animals - can easily do more harm than good - especially when parents lack parenting skills.

Here's a paragraph from the webpage of "NYU Child Study Center":

Discipline: a developmental look

Flexibility is the key to discipline as children grow. Parents must be prepared to modify their discipline approach over time, using different strategies as their child develops greater independence and capacity for self regulation and responsibility.

The foundations for discipline are laid down in the early years. During the first year of life, as parents establish a trusting relationship with their baby, they set the climate for parent/child interactions through the years. Sometime between the ages of 1 and 2, the individual previously thought of as a baby suddenly bursts onto the scene as a full-fledged person with very specific wants and needs. As toddlers begin to move around they test their independence, and they need to be helped to understand what is safe, what they can and cannot do. Focused with their own needs, toddlers are not concerned with the interests of others. Since they do not yet understand the idea of consequences, a gentle but firm "no" is in order. With the explosion of new skills�talking, walking�toddlers may appear to understand the rules and can be reasoned with at times, but they are not yet really ready to control their actions. Preschoolers understand rules, and their behavior is guided by these rules and their increasing awareness of consequences of their behavior. As children reach school age, they understand the reasons for rules; the rules become internalized and are accompanied by an increasing sense of responsibility and self control. Most school age children are sensitive to the notion of fairness and justice and are able to weigh the needs of others as they make decisions. During adolescence, the individuals become responsible for their own behavior. Establishing self control is a process which develops slowly, and the ultimate goal of discipline is to help children build their own self-control, not to have them merely obey adult commands...
http://www.aboutourkids.org/aboutour/articles/discipline.html

[periwinkle]

[quote="Don Gately"]

I disagree. Parents should control their children in public.[/quote]

My parents used to march us outside if we started getting too loud. I either didn't want to a) eat a cold dinner, or b) freeze my ass off in the parking lot. We never acted up on an airplane, because my dad always put a patch of dramamine behind our ear (to control motion sickness, which is funny, because I've never suffered from motion sickness...).

If we were acting up in the car, we'd get a, "Do you want to see the back of my hand?" After that, dad just pulled the car over, smacked all 3 of us in 1 swipe, and continued on his way. *sigh* good times...

[Dome Vans]

I'm with Bejarano, 100% on this.

If they are trying to act, in a pack, like adults and they are disrespecting your space and enjoyment then you have a right to intervene.

He didn't beat them up. In England now this gang mentality is kinda getting out of control. In England these thugs/chavs/scallies are getting younger and younger. There are a lot of innercity areas that have gangs of 14 year olds hanging about on street corners waiting for anyone they can pounce on. The majority of people would run off or take the abuse. The one chance you get to give it back should be taken.

These kids don't respect adults, older people, other teenagers anyone. Why should you show them respect by leaving them alone. Their upbringing doesn't involve being respectful to other people. Sometimes it is apt to intervene.

In America I suppose there it is more likely that they may have guns, English kids have knives and its on the increase. Not gonna get any better.

One up for Wigan!

[bejarano-korea]

[Dome Vans]