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Cabbit
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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I consider forgiveness to be reserved for people who have impacted you directly. While this guy is horrible (and I am preparing my background check copies, again, for my school because I expect a note to come down the pipeline soon), what he has done hasn't DIRECTLY affected me.
I think of forgiveness more for friends, family, lovers. |
So what about his friends then...are they supposed to forgive him??
Im sure his friends and family are struggling with that right this moment. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Forgiveness |
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Don't be so sure he isn't atoning for it, or of changing his ways? |
He ran away did he not? Intead of facing up to it and atoning for it he fled, tellingly enough back to the scene of the crime. Doesn't sound like he intends to atone or change his ways at all. |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| If that is what you believe then I'm not going to try and change your mind. |
It's not only what I believe, isn't it just logic?? |
Initially you said that they were gay, then you changed it to gay and bi so you are obviously a little unsure of your thoughts on it.
The problem is that paedophillia is seen as devient much like homosexuality is so people think that they go hand in hand. One of the many problems facing the gay community is that of not bieng able to care for children because they are seen as being paedophiles by the public because of their sexuality.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=674849&highlight=paedophile
This is quite and interesting thread on another forum. Have a read of it. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: re: |
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Another example of the stupidity of religion. Say you are sorry and that you have found god and all is forgiven...it's okay that you raped little boys or Michael Vick recently found god so all is forgiven.
A non believer or skeptic who has led a good life, gave to charity, helped others, good family person....but because they don't accept god, they are going to hell????????
Simply ridiculous.
P.S. How is sexually abusing little boys NOT GAY?? You are not gay until they are legal?? |
Concerning your PS, because the same point about heterosexuality is not made when a pedophile abuses underage girls. It only seems to be relevant to some when it is a man abusing boys.
Peace |
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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Well gay or bi it still means that they like males.
Obviously we will agree to disagree. I am really not that interested in the subject to read on it more.
Groth: "Mr. Pedophile, why do you sexually abuse boys? Why didn't you go to Itaewon? That's where many Korean gays go. You can find a boyfriend there."
Mr. Pedophile: "You are wrong on two things. First there are no gays in Korea and second, I am not gay (or bi  ) it just makes me feel young again to grab a little boy's willy."
Groth: "Well that's good enough for me. Seeing how you are of sound mind I am going to believe you. Do you mind if I write this up in my book?"
I'm not gay! (or bi) |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I learned the hard way over the years that "Forgiveness" means "You have permission to do it again" in most people's minds. I don't give it easily anymore. |
I sent a students to my co-teacher for swearing in class. When he said'
"I'm sorry" I just turned my back to him and ignored him. |
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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| 4 months left wrote: |
Another example of the stupidity of religion. Say you are sorry and that you have found god and all is forgiven...it's okay that you raped little boys or Michael Vick recently found god so all is forgiven.
A non believer or skeptic who has led a good life, gave to charity, helped others, good family person....but because they don't accept god, they are going to hell????????
Simply ridiculous.
P.S. How is sexually abusing little boys NOT GAY?? You are not gay until they are legal?? |
Concerning your PS, because the same point about heterosexuality is not made when a pedophile abuses underage girls. It only seems to be relevant to some when it is a man abusing boys.
Peace |
Why would someone be accused of being gay if they abused someone of the opposite sex? I don't understand your point. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: re: |
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| 4 months left wrote: |
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| 4 months left wrote: |
Another example of the stupidity of religion. Say you are sorry and that you have found god and all is forgiven...it's okay that you raped little boys or Michael Vick recently found god so all is forgiven.
A non believer or skeptic who has led a good life, gave to charity, helped others, good family person....but because they don't accept god, they are going to hell????????
Simply ridiculous.
P.S. How is sexually abusing little boys NOT GAY?? You are not gay until they are legal?? |
Concerning your PS, because the same point about heterosexuality is not made when a pedophile abuses underage girls. It only seems to be relevant to some when it is a man abusing boys.
Peace |
Why would someone be accused of being gay if they abused someone of the opposite sex? I don't understand your point. |
You obviously have logic and reading problems. I hope you have less than four months left. All Korea needs is more disinformation on homosexuality.
Peace |
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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| What, the same point that if a man abuses and underage girl he is hetrosexual? Why would emphasising the point the abuser is hetro. Maybe it is your explaining ability, not my understanding ability. I still have no idea what you are talking about. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: re: |
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| 4 months left wrote: |
| What, the same point that if a man abuses and underage girl he is hetrosexual? Why would emphasising the point the abuser is hetro. Maybe it is your explaining ability, not my understanding ability. I still have no idea what you are talking about. |
I'll let someone else explain it to you if they want. Are you the one in the middle?
Peace |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Rape is about power, not sex. Is having power over men gay? |
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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Rape is about power, not sex. Is having power over men gay? |
100% about power not sex? I have no idea about the subject. Why wouldn't a hetro rape a female?
Man, some weird discussions are coming out of this. |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: re: |
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| 4 months left wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Rape is about power, not sex. Is having power over men gay? |
100% about power not sex? I have no idea about the subject. Why wouldn't a hetro rape a female?
Man, some weird discussions are coming out of this. |
A hetero would not necessarily rape a female because pedophilia is a completely different cateory than adult sexual orientation.
Peace |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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So a gay man who is also a paedophile abuses girls because thaqt is what he is into them is bisexual, hetrosexual or homosexual?
As another poster said paedophillia is very different to sexual orientation.
What about a man who likes to be taken with a stap-on by his wife/girlfriend. He doesn't copulate with other men. Is he gay or bisexual? |
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4 months left
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Strap-on, I think that is a bad example. Highly erogenous zones in that area regardless of whether you are a man or woman.
Female-male
In female-male anal sex, a woman stimulates her male partner in the rectum. Moreover, due to the proximity of the prostate gland to the rectum, it has been suggested that males may achieve greater satisfaction in this manner than females. According to AskMen.com, passive anal stimulation is "something that all men find relieving and absolutely delightful
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_sex |
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