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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| I have a classmate from Shanghai whose first time outside the country was this past summer. First stop: LAX. As he was walking through the airport to get to his connecting flight, he thought, "Wow, is all of America this fat??" When he arrived in San Diego he thought, "Wow, there are a lot of fit people here." He was a bit perplexed at the difference. |
You reckon the disparity is related the difference in median family wealth between the cities? Maybe demographics? LA car culture? |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, I just figured that LAX is a common layover for people and doesn't reflect LA in general. Also, LA is so big that I'm sure it has its share of large people out in suburbs and whatnot. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| I have a classmate from Shanghai whose first time outside the country was this past summer. First stop: LAX. As he was walking through the airport to get to his connecting flight, he thought, "Wow, is all of America this fat??" When he arrived in San Diego he thought, "Wow, there are a lot of fit people here." He was a bit perplexed at the difference. |
San Diego's new slogan, "It's where the fit people live."
LA's new slogan, "A fat person sat on me today." |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| Deists weren't "religious" in a sense that would be recognizable to most religious people. Deists believed God set the universe in motion and then walked away, leaving it to proceed on its own. The analogy used at the time (in keeping with their technology) was clockwork -- God as celestial watch-winder. Deists did not believe in a personal God that intervened in human affairs. Deism was much closer to what we would today call "atheism" than to any established religion. Recall that, at the time, Darwin had not yet published Origin of Species, so there was no credible naturalistic explanation for life's diversity and complexity. Deism was an attempt to reconcile the perceived indifference of the universe with the perceived need for an intelligent designer. I don't think George Washington was a deist. Jefferson was, and so were some of the other key figures in the Revolution, but Washington was a Christian as far as I can tell. He made a lot of explicit references to Jesus and Christian doctrine in his addresses. |
Gee, thanks for the edification. 
Deism in the late 18th century wasn't synonymous with atheism by a long stretch and while Washington was a Christian of sorts he was also influenced by the ideas of the Age of Reason, which included Deism.
But thanks for playing. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: World is Watching |
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(continuing on from the following link, after several requests to discuss the issue here.)
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=112762&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75
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I think "the peel" best summarized it, with:
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You get so picky and defensive about stuff like this. By the "rest of the world" he meant the non-American world who are both impacted by the election yet unable to participate. Who leads the United States is very important for the "rest of the world". Despite the last 7 years, America still is a leader. |
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chris_J2 wrote:
...what if the scenario was reversed? And I started claiming that ignorant farmers in rural US, were representative of broader US views, which is what you appear to be claiming, with your "all Asians are illiterate, ignorant & apathetic" statements?
chris_72 wrote:
But no-one can deny that 'gopher' isn't patriotic!
First, I will address your second stupidism, above. It represents terrible English. I think you meant "Let no one deny Gopher's patriotism!" or something like it. But to suggest I am arguing my point from a patriotic position is childish nonsense.
Second, looking at the two and other things you have alleged in this discussion, above, how you appear very eager to assume I am insulting people's intelligence when I suggest most people in the world remain mostly preoccupied with their own lives and local conditions and politics, etc., and how you want to retaliate by insulting "Americans'" intelligence as a monolithic group, etc. More stupidity. Everyone knows and it is beyond contestation that millions of Americans know nothing and care even less about the elections -- this year's impressive turnouts so far notwithstanding. So thank you for helping me bring my point home.
It occurs to me that you suffer one of the worst cases of U.S.-centrismitis I have seen yet. You truly see a pervasive and omnipotent United States, to the point where people the world over, to a man, woman, and child, are closely following the current election.
So I will go ahead and say it: you are stupid; entrapped in others' propagandistic essentialized worldviews and dichotomies ("the U.S. vs. the rest of the world," etc.) and unable and unwilling to escape. It must feel comfortable and cozy. So be it. |
So by your own statements, the world consists of "ultra nationalist anti-Americans', & Amercans"?
Umm... 'stupidism' isn't a word, gopher, & simply stating that my argument is stupid, without providing academic links & facts to repudiate anything I've said, isn't terribly bright. You're capable of much better than that. Nowhere did I state Americans are stupid. What I did say, is what if the scenario was reversed, & I started claiming the views of an uninformed minority in the US, represent the views of a broad majority?
And Australian English uses second person, rather than first person. eg "It is thought that...", rather than "I think that..."
If you'd bothered to open the link on top stories in Indonesia, you would have seen this:
Many Indonesians cheer Obama in Democrat race
By Sunanda Creagh
JAKARTA (Reuters) - The 2008 U.S. presidential election is being watched closely by millions around the world but few are more fired up than Indonesians, who can lay claim to Democratic hopeful Barack Obama as nearly one of their own.
In the capital Jakarta where Obama, 46, spent part of his childhood, U.S. expatriates and Indonesians crowded around television sets on Wednesday to watch the results of nominating contests across 24 states thousands of miles away pouring in.
At the end of the biggest day of U.S. presidential voting before the November election, Obama won 12 states to Clinton's eight in a hard-fought duel for the Democratic nomination.
On the Republican side, John McCain won nine states but failed to knock out rivals Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney.
"I think it's exciting being in Indonesia at this time. A lot of Indonesians are fired up about Obama," said Barry Dols, 41, an Obama supporter and teacher based in Jakarta from New Jersey.
"They think he knows the region."
The senator from Illinois spent part of his childhood in Indonesia after his American mother, Ann Dunham, married Muslim Indonesian Lolo Soetoro following the end of her marriage to Obama's Kenyan father.
Soetoro brought his new family to Jakarta in 1967 when Obama was six. Four years later Obama left Jakarta to live with grandparents in Hawaii. Continued...
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSJAK18320020080206 |
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