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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| What does any of what you said have to do with Korea? |
Well, there is some complaining going on about people wanting to go to the US but can't and that Americans can travel freely without problems.
The reason for that is that those Americans that DO travel (which is VERY few considering the number of people that live in the US) have homes and assets to return to that make it possible for Americans to travel outside the US....while many Koreans are travelling to look for new places to live and to start up businesses and have no intentions on returning to Korea.....also, it is known that Koreans have a big problem with integrating into a host country's society, tending to form little communities of their own with little interaction with other people and communities in the places they settle......
Also, many ordinary Americans are not really interested in travelling outside the US, with the exception of Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean....which shows why few Americans had passports prior to the new travel restrictions being placed on Americans travelling to these places........
It is not the US's fault that many people wait in long lines waiting to process their visa applications. There are so many other places in the world to visit that are not so restrictive to Koreans, why don't they go there instead if b*tching and moaning about getting a visa to come here to the US......its not that great of a place to visit anyway.................. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| There are so many other places in the world to visit that are not so restrictive to Koreans, why don't they go there instead if b*tching and moaning about getting a visa to come here to the US. |
Yes. How about northern Canada? Plenty of space up there.  |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| There are so many other places in the world to visit that are not so restrictive to Koreans, why don't they go there instead if b*tching and moaning about getting a visa to come here to the US. |
Yes. How about northern Canada? Plenty of space up there. |
Actually, there is a ton of stuff to do up there. |
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Temporary
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| There are so many other places in the world to visit that are not so restrictive to Koreans, why don't they go there instead if b*tching and moaning about getting a visa to come here to the US. |
Yes. How about northern Canada? Plenty of space up there. |
Actually, there is a ton of stuff to do up there. |
Are you serious..
You have to be joking I lived there for 7 years and IT sucks.. I knew more people that comited suicide then I had friends. |
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Khenan
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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Someone mentioned on another thread that Korea�s visa laws for teachers was xenophobic. I have to laugh at this since America provides the visa waiver mostly to a very lily white bunch of countries, except for Japan. |
Yes, well, at least for the next 30 years or so, America will have a majority of caucasian descent. We're friends with Europe for a lot of reasons.. one, many of us came from there at some point; two, they make good trading parterns; three, it's called WWII; etc..
Keep in mind that while Korea seems in love with the Western business model, America isn't that keen on copying Korea.
Also, there is a difference between xenophobia and racism. Your argument would be better stated as a case of racism against Koreans. Your case for xenophobia is defeated by your statement that we are good friends with plenty of countries besides Koera. |
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Len8
Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| If the U.S. allowed a visa waiver for Korea, there wouldn't be any hookers left, nor would there be stalls in the markets. The traditional Korean open air market would disappear, becuse it will be transplanted to the U.S. |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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The B1/B2 Visa is a business oriented visa that allows visitors to come on pleasure trips or for business travel, which includes some kind of white-collar consulting and such.....you don't consider that 'work'? |
It doesn't really matter if I consider it to be work. The only thing that matters is whether the relevant U.S.government agency considers it to be work. If they consider it to be work, it is not allowed under the VWP. The U.S. State Dept. website says:
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When does a national of a VWP country need to apply for a visa instead of using the VWP?
Nationals of VWP countries must meet the conditions noted in the section above (Which travelers may use the Visa Waiver Program to enter the United States?) in order to seek admission to the United States under the Visa Waiver Program. Travelers who do not meet these conditions must apply for a visa. In particular, a visa must be requested if the traveler:
* Wants to remain in the United States for longer than 90 days, or envisions that they may wish to change their status (from tourism to student, etc.) once in the United States;
* Wants to work or study in the United States, wants to come to the United States for other purposes not allowed on a visitor visa, or intends to immigrate to the United States; ... |
http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html#national
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| If you want to work in the U.S. temporarily, under immigration law, you need a specific visa, based on the type of work you will be doing. Most temporary worker categories require the approval of a petition by DHS, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) before you can apply for your visa. |
http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/types/types_1275.html
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Nationals of the 27 countries participating in the Visa Waiver Program may use VWP if:
* The purpose of their stay in the United States is 90 days or less for tourism or business (if in doubt, travelers should check with the nearest Embassy or Consulate to verify that what they plan to do is considered tourism or business. Transit through the United States is generally permitted. Note that foreign media representatives planning to engage in that vocation in the United States are not eligible, as the purpose of their stay does not qualify as �business�. These professionals must obtain a nonimmigrant media (I) visa. |
http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html#travelertype
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| And there are many people who live within the VWP countries that do use the visa exemption to work and Koreans would certainly use it to their advantage also... |
If they do so, they are working illegally, but you think Korea should reciprocate by allowing Americans to work freely and legally without a visa? Yea right. |
I have a B1/B2 visa and work is restricted and will get you deported. However, provided you have the means(money) you can stay to a max of six months(if the immi officer thinks your good for coin).
Green cards cost US$1,400 and take up to six months to get after attending an interiew, than later, finger printing. I sponsored myself through having paid cash for a house and transferring money into my newly opened checking acc.. Having skills, degrees, no crim convictions go a long way to getting approved. What skills do these hard done by Koreans have?
Koamerican mentions Koreans standing around in the rain. That's impossible because interviews are by invitation only at a nominated city, full security check, etc. We're talking Homeland security here and not standing in line for a Lotto ticket. Just milling around sounds like a meat market thing in Korea. Where'd he get his info? |
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fusionbarnone
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| jaykimf wrote: |
| lastat06513 wrote: |
The B1/B2 Visa is a business oriented visa that allows visitors to come on pleasure trips or for business travel, which includes some kind of white-collar consulting and such.....you don't consider that 'work'? |
It doesn't really matter if I consider it to be work. The only thing that matters is whether the relevant U.S.government agency considers it to be work. If they consider it to be work, it is not allowed under the VWP. The U.S. State Dept. website says:
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When does a national of a VWP country need to apply for a visa instead of using the VWP?
Nationals of VWP countries must meet the conditions noted in the section above (Which travelers may use the Visa Waiver Program to enter the United States?) in order to seek admission to the United States under the Visa Waiver Program. Travelers who do not meet these conditions must apply for a visa. In particular, a visa must be requested if the traveler:
* Wants to remain in the United States for longer than 90 days, or envisions that they may wish to change their status (from tourism to student, etc.) once in the United States;
* Wants to work or study in the United States, wants to come to the United States for other purposes not allowed on a visitor visa, or intends to immigrate to the United States; ... |
http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html#national
And then there is this:
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| If you want to work in the U.S. temporarily, under immigration law, you need a specific visa, based on the type of work you will be doing. Most temporary worker categories require the approval of a petition by DHS, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) before you can apply for your visa. |
http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/types/types_1275.html
And this:
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Nationals of the 27 countries participating in the Visa Waiver Program may use VWP if:
* The purpose of their stay in the United States is 90 days or less for tourism or business (if in doubt, travelers should check with the nearest Embassy or Consulate to verify that what they plan to do is considered tourism or business. Transit through the United States is generally permitted. Note that foreign media representatives planning to engage in that vocation in the United States are not eligible, as the purpose of their stay does not qualify as �business�. These professionals must obtain a nonimmigrant media (I) visa. |
http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html#travelertype
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| And there are many people who live within the VWP countries that do use the visa exemption to work and Koreans would certainly use it to their advantage also... |
If they do so, they are working illegally, but you think Korea should reciprocate by allowing Americans to work freely and legally without a visa? Yea right. |
I have a B1/B2 visa and work is restricted and will get you deported. However, provided you have the means(money) you can stay to a max of six months(if the immi officer thinks your good for coin).
Green cards cost US$1,400(to file an application/all ifo. must be correct, all supporting docs must be there, full medical by a govt. approved doctor in a sealed envelope. After all that it still doesn't mean you'll get the card) and take up to six months to get after attending an interiew, than later, finger printing. I sponsored myself(you need upwards of 75k in cash minimum) through having paid cash for a house and transferring money into my newly opened checking acc.. Having skills, degrees, no crim. convictions go a long way to getting approved. What skills do these hard done by Koreans have?
Koamerican mentions Koreans standing around in the rain. That's impossible because interviews are by invitation only at a nominated city, full security check, etc. We're talking Homeland security here and not standing in line for a Lotto ticket. Just milling around sounds like a meat market thing in Korea.
Where'd he get his info? |
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lucas_p
Joined: 17 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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"Koamerican mentions Koreans standing around in the rain. That's impossible because interviews are by invitation only at a nominated city, full security check, etc. We're talking Homeland security here and not standing in line for a Lotto ticket. Just milling around sounds like a meat market thing in Korea. Where'd he get his info?"
Bada-bing. As far as tourist visas are concerned .. you apply on the net, you get a designated meeting time and place, and you have your interview, then you get it.(or don't)
My wife and all of her friends did it. A lot of redtape and questions, but overall not bad. No standing in lines and getting soaked with rain. |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Like I said I don't care what the US does with its visa laws. The people in Korea who need to go to the US for business get them. I think it hurts US tourism companies more but the US is of course within its right to put up as many hoops as it thinks it needs.
Someone with a Korean passport can go to just about any country with no problems except for our old ally the US, thanks America!
Keep in mind that the US has had these laws against Koreans entering for decades before 911. I don't know of any Koreans starting a crime wave across Europe and Koreans can go to Europe very easily. Actually, Mexicans can go to Europe more easily than to their close neighbor the US.
As for prostitution there are hundreds of thousands of white prostitutes from Eastern Europe working in Western Europe (estimated 500,000 since 2004) and North America. I think that they should be of more concern to the west than a few thousand Korean prostitutes.
Here's an article that talks about the long wait for the US tourist visa. And keep in mind folks, the topic concerns tourist visas not green cards.
The quotes basically say that the appointments have no meaning because people still have to wait on average 1 to 2 hours outside. I'm just pointing out that this is a barbaric practice that has gone on a long time and that any problems English teachers are having pales in comparison to it.
�1시간 30분째 줄서 기다렸다는 A씨(서울 강남. 대학3학년)는 "예약시각을 지정해 주는 것은 그 시각에 나와달라는 건데 그 시각에 나와도 줄을 서서 몇시간씩 기다려야 한다면 아무런 의미가 없지않느냐"며 불만을 표출했다.�
�I waited on line for an hour and half.� Say�s Mr. �A�, a 3rd year university student. �What�s the point of giving out appointments when you make people wait for hours in line?
�대구에서 새벽에 KTX를 타고 왔다는 B씨(자영업.47)는 "엄연히 예약제가 시행되고 있는데 수백미터 이상 줄을 서서 2시간 가까이 기다려야 한다는 게 이해할 수 없다"며 "미국 비자를 받기 위해 하루 생업을 포기했다"고 말했다.�
Mr. �B� a 47 year old business owner, took the KTX from Daegu to Seoul. �I arrived on time for my appointment but they have be standing on this line for almost 2 hours. I can't understand why. I�ve lost a days work because of this.�
http://www.cbs.co.kr/nocut/show.asp?idx=58508 |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
Location: korreia
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| yeah there are seldom any lines at korean embassies around the world. wow, they must be very efficient workers. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| Is it really worth the risk and strain to allow everybody in the country when few will be able to contribute anything in their or the next generation? |
I like the "noble sanctuary" idea. I think the criteria should be wether they are genuine refugees whose lives are threatened back home.
As far as korea goes...I would want the US to stipulate reciprocal visa policies and rights for foreigners in Korea.
It irks me that Koreans seem to view it as their right to emigrate to the US and other western nations, but don't appear to have the same welcome policies for foreigners in Korea. Or is this just unrealistic?
Korea is a first world country now and it should be bearing its fair share of international refugees, just for example. Also it should be granting foreigners all the same rights that the US grants to koreans in the US. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:47 am Post subject: |
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Passion enumerated:
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NO anchor babies!
NO massage mamas!
NO "students" staying extra!
NO tax-evading criminals! |
Yes, but you forgot the leading demographics in Hawaii:
NO taxi drivers driving off meter!
NO hostess bar girls!
NO kalbi grill chefs!
and my personal favorite:
NO visiting professors drawing the same salary as American faculty! *
*while American visiting professors in Korea earn half as much |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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What is good about keeping Koreans out of the US? Besides the Koreans who are the most pro US and the most open minded are usually the ones to get burned by US visa polices towards Koreans.
Your typical evil hogwon owner is gonna get his visa anyway. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| The problem I have with this is the way that Koreans are treated. Standing outside in the cold or sweating in the heat during summer to get a visa is not a nice way to treat people who want to just visit your country. |
I'll agree with that. The U.S. is not friendly to its customers.
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| Someone mentioned on another thread that Korea�s visa laws for teachers was xenophobic. I have to laugh at this since America provides the visa waiver mostly to a very lily white bunch of countries, except for Japan. |
I believe now you are employing the et tu quoque fallacy.
The visa access for teachers themselves are not what I have problems with. Its the attendant requirements, and the inability to teach anywhere but at the private academy at which you are assigned, without permission from the private academy itself.
The U.S. has a lot of problems with how it treats foreigners coming into the country. This in no way excuses Korea for its failures. |
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