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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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I would suggest that only someone 'Iraeli-biased' could come to the conclusion that the BBC is 'Palestinian-biased.' |
It pains me a little to cite Joo, but didn't he post a few articles showing that there was a clear bias against Israel by the BBC?
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| As an American, exposed to media outlets that are carefully self-censored so as to regularly exclude the Palestinian perspective, it is little wonder that you have absorbed an Israeli-bias. I too had the Israeli-bias once. |
Yes, we know that we Americans are spoon fed everything, unlike you Brits and your 1 source of news, which happens to be the best in the world, right? It just so happens that it is biased against Israel. Aren't you biased against Israel, BB? Maybe you should take in a few more news sources... 
Aren't we all in the "Information Age?" Claiming that all Americans are biased against Palestinians because we only have access to "self-censored" media is weak, at best. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
but we'll need to see an improvement on your post above because I will simply skip your post and move on to a poster I like.
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LOL! once again arrogance |
Oh absolutely. I�ve no problem at all with being called arrogant. I am extremely arrogant. I�m an arrogant, ranky, stanky arsehole and proud to be as such.
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| , used as a veil to cover up an inability to think for ones self and make intelligent remarks and rebuttals. Dude, who do you think you are? And what is this grade one jibbirish about how you don't like me so you're not gonna talk to me. |
I made it quite clear that I stated my position in another thread. Read it. If you can.
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| I couldn't care less what your belief or lack thereof about god is, but how is this point relevant to my initial reply? |
Because you accused me of being a brainwashed Christian.
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| Read the post again and you'll see that I'm simply saying you're an idiot, a moron for making such arrogant and absolutely stupid comments. The truth is you are the type of person I never care to see or meet, an absolute disgrace to humanity and a perfect example why we still have to go through some serious evolution before we can really consider ourselves human. |
Given your demonstrable inability to express yourself without using vocabulary such as idiot, stupid and moron, I suggest a swift return to your psychiatric medication. Or, if there was no such medication, begin a course straight away.
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your ignorant and dangerous way of thinking is exactly the type of thinking that war-mongering, racist, facist and fundamentalist losers like Al-qaeda, the zionist, the islamic regime of Iran, the neo-cons and the nazis do. I guess you must be proud to be like these people.
LOL! an atheist, how original. |
It depends on the position. I�m fanatical about the Earth orbiting the Sun and not the reverse. I�m a fanatic about the Theory of Evolution via natural selection. Those who believe otherwise should be sterilized. I�m not quite as fanatical about Islamist failure at all costs as I am about those things, but a supporter nonetheless. I used to support the Palestinians, but the person I was once, he�s dead. Perhaps I�ll change my mind again, but I doubt it, and I�m highly unlikely to be persuaded otherwise by an unemployable hagwon jockey.
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Stop proving your lack of intelligence and total arrogance. |
I do not lack intelligence. I am a qualified English teacher (as opposed to an unemployable hagwon layabout) and my definition of good money is not sending home $1,000 per month to pay off a $30,000 student loan borrowed to study David Beckham Studies at Nadsville Community College. The arrogance bit is right on, though.
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| Let me ask you something; are you an expert on Islamic history? Are you an expert on Jewish history? Let�s get to an even lower common denominator, have you studied any history? |
I�ve studied history extensively at one of the best universities in the world. I also have life experience, including having taught Jews and Muslims (actually, I'm one of the few non-Jewish males who can claim to have slept with a J.A.P - Jewish American Princess), thanks to being a qualified English teacher (as opposed to someone doing a McJob). Keep the ad hominem coming though. Always hilarious to see lefties' bloodpressure skyrocket.
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| Do you seriously believe that you are part of the "civilized" world and that Islam is at "war" with civilization? |
Yes, I do believe that. Societies of European descent are organized in accordance with what we know to be sane, natural, rational, decent and demonstrably true. Islamic societies are organized in accordance with what is loathsome, barbarous, scabrous, sadistic, misogynistic, vulgar, base, irrational, insane, unnatural and wildly indecent.
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| If this is what you truly believe in then you are a hypocrite. How could you view things in terms of right and wrong or the eternal war between good and evil when such a view is obviously rooted in god and religion? |
Like the proverbial monkey typing out the Complete Works of Shakespeare given sufficient time, you�ve finally made a reasonable point.  That point is this: how does the atheist reconcile his demolitions of religion with his us against them outlook vis-�-vis Islamism? Well, I seek to sterilize. I care passionately about my country, my species and my planet. As such, I am a vehement supporter of (a) the War on Terror, (b) the Iraq War, since it is a purposeful attempt to exacerbate the war within Islam. I�ve no respect at all for Jews� religion and subscription to the position that this 93 billion light year universe is a celestial Stalinist regime that can and will convict me of thought crime if it wished. However, in opposition to religion, Islam is by far the worst offender. Nothing less than total liberalization of Islam � especially amongst adherents living in the West � will suffice if I am to support any Islamic cause. In the absence of this, the Israelis have my permission to burn Palestinian towns right to the ground. |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Location: asdfghjk
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| your argument ^ would be much better without all the ad hominem attacks, ridiculous blanket assumptions and anti-muslim garbage! |
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TML1976
Joined: 10 Jul 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh absolutely. I�ve no problem at all with being called arrogant. I am extremely arrogant. I�m an arrogant, ranky, stanky arsehole and proud to be as such. |
I wrote this long reply to this post and after I finished it I realized that everything that I have been trying to say about you and your views in my previous replies and in the long one I had just written you proved correct with your very first sentence. Thank you.
sincerely,
your dumb, broke and unemployed hagwon teacher. |
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TML1976
Joined: 10 Jul 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| your argument ^ would be much better without all the ad hominem attacks, ridiculous blanket assumptions and anti-muslim garbage! |
yeah, but then he doesn't have an argument. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
I would suggest that only someone 'Iraeli-biased' could come to the conclusion that the BBC is 'Palestinian-biased.' |
It pains me a little to cite Joo, but didn't he post a few articles showing that there was a clear bias against Israel by the BBC? |
He posted two things. First an article about how the BBC had (at that time) paid an alleged 200,000 pounds in legal fees to fight a request for its report on its Mid-East coverage to be made public. First, the article was published before we knew the contents of the report - when critics of the BBC were hoping it would point to anti-Israel bias. The article talks of ' speculation that the report was damning in its assessment of the BBC's coverage of the Arab-Israeli conflict .'
Go look up speculation in your dictionary, Pliggy.
From another article of that time:
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| The BBC argues that if its journalists are collecting information, they should not have to give it out to people who put in Freedom of Information requests until they are ready to broadcast. The Information Commissioner, Richard Thomas, hadruled in favour of the BBC. He was overruled by the Information Tribunal. |
As this article points out, the report was made at a sensitive time when Israel was pro-active in making it difficult for the BBC to report from the area:
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The dispute is over a 20,000-page report commissioned four years ago, at a time when the Israeli government had announced that it was withdrawing all co-operation with the BBC staff stationed in the Middle East, including all the help BBC journalists could normally expect with issues such as passports and visas.
The Israelis were angered by a BBC documentary about Mordecai Vananu, who spent many years in solitary confinement for revealing to The Sunday Times that Israel was developing a nuclear weapon. It's government called the programme "Nazi propaganda". |
The BBC was probably concerned that, despite the report finding that on balance the Palestinians had more grounds to grumble about their reportage than their occupiers, the Israelis would also find aspects of the report that might be used to support their case (that the BBC wasn't giving Israel the kind of glowing reportage and rave reviews that they can regularly depend upon from Fox News). [Actually, this paragraph is my speculation - remember that word?]
Secondly, Joo posted an opinion piece by a columnist writing for The Times. The writer disagrees with the verdict of the report (i.e. that on balance the BBC had a pro-Israeli bias - even if it was an unintended bias), and offers anecdotal evidence in support of his opinion.
Now go and look up opinion in your dictionary.
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| As an American, exposed to media outlets that are carefully self-censored so as to regularly exclude the Palestinian perspective, it is little wonder that you have absorbed an Israeli-bias. I too had the Israeli-bias once. |
Yes, we know that we Americans are spoon fed everything, unlike you Brits and your 1 source of news, which happens to be the best in the world, right? It just so happens that it is biased against Israel. Aren't you biased against Israel, BB? Maybe you should take in a few more news sources... |
I do take in various news sources. I regularly read Rupert Murdoch publications (such as The Times and The Australian) which have a pro-Israeli bias for example, and I also go to Israeli English sources, both right-wing and left-wing. In fact, I read more Rupurt Murdoch publications than I read of The Guardian - The Guardian is an online pleasure for me, indulged in when I have some spare time, Murdoch's papeers are what I read daily, over breakfast.I've heard all the arguments for years, and have found that the Israeli argument is not very compelling (not unless you believe that Israelis have a right to land which according to International Law they are not entitled or that the Israelis should not be bound to the Geneva Conventions and other international treaties on basic human rights or observe the same ethical standards we'd expect from other democracies. Or should I sadly say that we once expected from Western democracies...).
I'm not sure what the British "1 source of news" is that you are refering to. Perhaps you are hinting at Murdoch's Sky News? That's our nearest equivalent to Fox News, and remains very popular in the UK.
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| It just so happens that [the BBC (I assume)] is biased against Israel. |
You're still struggling with fact and opinion. A good dictionary can probably help you out here.
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| Aren't we all in the "Information Age?" Claiming that all Americans are biased against Palestinians because we only have access to "self-censored" media is weak, at best. |
There are plenty of Americans who have educated themselves, but most have not. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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The BBC investigation you mention covers just Israel and the Palestinian side not Israel versus the arab side.The fact it is very interesting that the BBC would spend such a large sum to prevent the report on its coverage from going public. BBC paid the sum after the first report on its coverage.
BBC paid the sum in 2007 to cover up its reporting the report you mention came out in 2006.
There were no reports on the coverage of the Guardian or the Independent.
There were no reports on the media of other European nations.
Everyone ought to know the story of all parties in the mideast. They ought to know everything bad Israel has done. They also ought to know everything bad Israel's enemies have done. Nothing wrong with that. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: Re: The media and Israel.. |
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| What an absolutely arrogant thing to say. So muslim palestine, who until 1947 had done nothing to the jews through out their peaceful coexistance for over 1300 years, has to pay for the barbaric and inhumane treatment of the jews by the hands of the europeans |
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For the record there has never been a Palestinian state in the history of the world. That doesn't mean there ought not to be . |
Of course Mufti met with Hitler, they are natural allies ... since they are both fighting, england ... (hitler because of the war in europe and the palestinians/syrians/jordanians/lebanese for colonial reasons) and the zionist that have taken over palestine (hitler for personal reasons and the palestinians for their land).
And with regards to palestine not being a state , you are right. I should have been more precise. The area known currently as palestine that has, for the majority of over 1300 years, been part of one or another muslim caliphate. |
Hitler was one of history's biggest Zionists & a British double agent.
The main thrust for Israel came from Europe & AmeriKa.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:48 am Post subject: Re: The media and Israel.. |
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| Hitler was one of history's biggest Zionists & a British double agent. |
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Funkdafied
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Location: In Da House
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| Hitler was one of history's biggest Zionists & a British double agent. |
No he wasn't. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Kuros,
we are discussing Israel with regard to the media. Your blatherings are completely off-topic. |
So sorry,
Erm. The Beeb is Palestinian-biased, and CNN is Israeli-biased. That is all. |
I would suggest that only someone 'Iraeli-biased' could come to the conclusion that the BBC is 'Palestinian-biased.' As an American, exposed to media outlets that are carefully self-censored so as to regularly exclude the Palestinian perspective, it is little wonder that you have absorbed an Israeli-bias. I too had the Israeli-bias once. |
No, I don't think so. I think its far more likely you're Palestinian biased b/c you watch the BBC.
As an American, I never watch the networks. So I'm not sure what level of bias I could have picked up.
I'm pretty sure my sympathy for the Israelis has more to do with my worldview, which respects what they've accomplished in adversity, and despises how both the Palestinians, but moreso their Arab patrons, have failed in dealing with Israel.
Basically, as I see it, the Arabs took actions that made the indignity of Israel's presence all that much worse. And now the whole region is a seething blister of Jew-hatred. Why? Well, nothing has demonstrated how impotent the Arabs are in the modern world so much as their pathetic and failed fight against the Israelis. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, Big_Bird...
I was just busting your ovaries! |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Hitler was one of history's biggest Zionists & a British double agent. |
No he wasn't. |
Wanna bet? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| sure |
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Funkdafied
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Location: In Da House
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Well, nothing has demonstrated how impotent the Arabs are in the modern world so much as their pathetic and failed fight against the Israelis. |
I think that's bang on. Well observed and well put. |
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