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Question for Men Who've Lived in Both Japan and Korea
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pugwall



Joined: 22 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you should stop caring about nationality so much and concern yourself more with the individual you are courting. If you are a decent, honest and genuine guy then things will fall into place.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atavistic wrote:
peppermint wrote:
rooster_2006 wrote:
Hormones are raging. I have a Darwinian purpose. As long as I have to spend hours a day on the subway, there's going to be a lot of temptation. That subway is horrible, like a flower garden, except that you can't take any of those flowers home, and if you dare touch one, God help you.


Before, the OP was just another guy complaining because they were all out of the complimentary K- girlfriends that are normally issued at the airport, but I thought this took him well into creepy territory.

Seriously, equating women to inanimate objects, and yammering about your "Darwinian purpose" is likely to be more than counter productive


True. If he's going to do that, he needs to heed Justin Hale's (creepy) advice and be older and richer.



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Justin Hale



Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express

PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Creepy, my ass! Mr. Green Men of 80 can father children. Girls of 15 can mother children. Women of 40 cannot mother children. And yet society would have us believe that finding 40 year old women attractive is fine and dandy yet finding 15 year old girls attractive is so not kosher! It's just self-evidently ridiculous and fundamentally false.

Really though, I'm rarely stumped. It takes a lot to render me at a loss for words. But Rooster has succeeded in rendering me mute. He claims he's handsome - even if he does say so himself - and can't, for love nor money, get a girl, anywhere. Rather strange.

Anyway, when I was 21, I dated girls younger than me (17 and 18 ). I'm 29 now and my GF is 22. It's true that young guys may struggle with girls their own age. "Handsome" guys should have less problem. It's been suggested to Rooster by a different poster that he does the same (dates younger chicks), but Rooster complained the girls in question were immature. Well, just how much does he want a GF? Beej was needlessly harsh and puerile, but perhaps he kinda had a point. We heterosexual males will bonk anything that will give us the time of day. Some hot babe says "2+2=46"? No problem. Some hot chick is a fundamentalist Christian? Heck, I couldn't give a you-know-what! The question is....does she have nice legs, nice hair, nice eyes, and above all, is she interested?
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rooster_2006



Joined: 14 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Hale wrote:
Anyway, when I was 21, I dated girls younger than me (17 and 18 ). I'm 29 now and my GF is 22. It's true that young guys may struggle with girls their own age. "Handsome" guys should have less problem. It's been suggested to Rooster by a different poster that he does the same (dates younger chicks), but Rooster complained the girls in question were immature. Well, just how much does he want a GF?
Not enough to date a high schooler. That's one of those things, along with going to a dirt-poor third world country (and as much as some of you hate this place, it's not poor) just to score women, that I consider below me, and you guys should, too.

My standards might be pretty low right now, but I'd rather lose than win with a cheap, sleazy trick.
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Hale wrote:
Women of 40 cannot mother children.


You need to check that number again, because they sure as hell can have kids at 40.
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Big_Bird



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...

PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Hale wrote:
Creepy, my ass! Mr. Green Men of 80 can father children. Girls of 15 can mother children. Women of 40 cannot mother children. And yet society would have us believe that finding 40 year old women attractive is fine and dandy yet finding 15 year old girls attractive is so not kosher! It's just self-evidently ridiculous and fundamentally false.


Mr Hale, don't delude yourself that you are going to be hot and sexy and incredibly appealing to 15 year old females when you are an octagenarian! It's never going to happen! Mr. Green Unless of course you are a billionaire, but then it will be your bank account that is hot and sexy and your impending expiry will be very convenient and warmly welcomed. Wink

And don't think you'll get to 80 and still be an exploding human fountain of life-giving sperm:

Men's fertility begins declining in late thirties

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When we controlled for the age of women, we found that fertility was significantly reduced for men aged over 35," Dr Dunson said.


The fact is, only some men can father children when they are 80. Not all. And the quality of the sperm is greatly reduced, and the likelihood of genetic damage hugely increased.

According to the biological reasoning to which you are appealing, if a woman is looking for a man purely for reproductive purposes, she should choose a healthy specimen in his early 20s. Wink So there!

Secondly, have you ever seen a teenage girl's bedroom walled pasted with pictures of older guys? It's very rare. When you are 15, and your hormones raging, it's those cute baby-faced boy bands that gets ones juices flowing, not pictures of middle-aged farts!

Fortunately for aging 'nearly thirty somethings' like yourself, we women appreciate the company of older men, due to your greater life experience and accumulated knowledge, know how and wisdom - despite your declining sperm count and accumulated DNA damage. Twisted Evil
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Lunar Groove Gardener



Joined: 05 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lesson that we need most is the one which we are presently shown through our circumstances and reactions to/interactions with them.

Once you learn the lesson at hand, whatever it may be, you will be less likely to repeat the cycle in which you find yourself.

Also the whole "Darwin" mandate thing is not exactly sophisticated sounding, even though it is an attempt at humour. I would think that a sharp 18 year old would be a good match and a lucky catch for you.

Just wait until the lesson where you start wishing you were single again comes along....then look into the mirror and laugh/cry.
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rooster_2006



Joined: 14 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lunar Groove Gardener wrote:
The lesson that we need most is the one which we are presently shown through our circumstances and reactions to/interactions with them.

Once you learn the lesson at hand, whatever it may be, you will be less likely to repeat the cycle in which you find yourself.

Also the whole "Darwin" mandate thing is not exactly sophisticated sounding, even though it is an attempt at humour. I would think that a sharp 18 year old would be a good match and a lucky catch for you.
Thanks for knowing so much about me that you know what a "good match" or "lucky catch" would be for me.
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Just wait until the lesson where you start wishing you were single again comes along....then look into the mirror and laugh/cry.
Once again, thanks for knowing enough about me that you know definitively that I've never thought this before. Assuming that your crystal-clear telepathy were wrong, though, and I actually had had plenty of non-negative dating experience outside of Korea, then I would tell you "yes, there are times you wish you were single, and there are times when you want to be single for several months, or maybe even a year or so. However, eventually, you will get tired of it." Of course, I don't need to say that, because your astounding mind-reading is just so great!

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Yangachi



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I asked my Korean friends another day about it and they said the following two things


Firstly, take with a very large pinch of salt what Koreans, and especially Korean guys say about Korean dating culture, or the 'conservativeness' of Korean women. They are, for the most part, telling you what they think they should tell foreigners about Korean women.
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rooster_2006



Joined: 14 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yangachi wrote:
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I asked my Korean friends another day about it and they said the following two things


Firstly, take with a very large pinch of salt what Koreans, and especially Korean guys say about Korean dating culture, or the 'conservativeness' of Korean women. They are, for the most part, telling you what they think they should tell foreigners about Korean women.
I understand what you're saying (a lot of men who claim to be doing better are clueless too), something I've learned quite quickly on this board, but actually I asked two of my Korean female friends about this. They told me about three dates is the norm. You aren't supposed to ask beforehand, either, they said, I guess because that's unromantic. Not that I did -- I was just wondering if, since this is always such an out-of-the-blue and unexpected experience for most of these girls, if maybe I should, so I asked, but no, you're not supposed to ask in advance.
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darkcity



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: SF, CA

PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if it makes you feel any better, i'm in the same position as you (although i'm less vocal about my frustration). two years, no girlfriend, but a long line of rejections.

for selfish reasons, i hope it works out for you in the end.

in regards to your hangups about making the first move, i will say that guys like us often misinterpret "flirting". i don't know what else to say, i'm getting depressed.
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rooster_2006



Joined: 14 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

darkcity wrote:
if it makes you feel any better, i'm in the same position as you (although i'm less vocal about my frustration). two years, no girlfriend, but a long line of rejections.

for selfish reasons, i hope it works out for you in the end.
Thanks, and ditto.
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in regards to your hangups about making the first move, i will say that guys like us often misinterpret "flirting". i don't know what else to say, i'm getting depressed.
Yeah, all these guys who claim it's so easy, I bet they're counting trips to 588 when they say they get laid a lot, or maybe they're sleeping with their students or something, since several seem to advocate sleeping with 15-year-olds.

Or maybe they're using the Rule of Three from American Pie? Yeah. Using the Rule of Three, I've gotten laid in Korea 45 times.
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Sody



Joined: 14 May 2006

PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love my students who are elementary school girls. They are adorable and full of life. Very kind and normal.

But not Korean women. They are EXTREMELY difficult to get along with, like most Korean adults. Someone mentioned they are a lot like Russians, very rude and nationalistic. I'm not sure I would agree with this, but I will say that Korean women are messed up seriously. It makes me sad to say this because I know they start out ok because the kids are normal.

There is something about Korean culture and society that seriously messes up the people in this god forsaken country. I haven't been able to define all the problems but I really feel bad for Koreans because if they only had a chance they would turn out normal like other people.

But more often than not I have found this to practically impossible in Korea. Especially regarding the women who are miserable and have low self esteem.

I'm probably just ranting though because some stupid grade 2 teacher in my school who is an old ugly hag was screaming at my grade 2 students and smashing her wooden stick on their desks.

I will never date a Korean woman because they are messed up but also because the mere thought of a relationship means having to deal with people I hate. Just the word "ajumma," conjures up images of some old hag who whines, complains and treats other people like cr*p.
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rooster_2006 wrote:
Privateer wrote:
Maybe you need to make your intentions clear when you ask girls out on a date, cos they all seem to act surprised when you make a move. Tell her straight out you think she's hot, then ask her out. If she turns you down then at least you haven't wasted your time. Right now it looks like you're squarely in the friends zone and you need to get out.
I'd just kind of assume it was implied when you ask a single female out to dinner or a movie or whatever and she's single too that it's a date. However, Korean girls need everything spelled out to them apparently. Nothing is implied. For example:
This girl named U-yeon. She suggested that we drink soju and makgeolli together at my home at about 2:00 AM. No one else was around. I figured "Wow, she wants to drink one-on-one with me at 2:00 AM with no one else around. I'd be an IDIOT if I wasn't reading this sign." So I tried to make a move. She absolutely freaked out, like she totally didn't see that coming.

I asked my Korean friends another day about it and they said the following two things:
1. In Korea, a single man and a single woman can consume copious quantities of alcohol together at the woman's suggestion, with no one else around, and that has no relation to whether she wants to hook up or not. It's a perfectly normal, friendly but not sexual in any way activity.
2. Apparently you can't kiss a Korean girl until she loves you. In the west, it's after the second date (I generally waited slightly longer just to be safe). In Korea, it's when she loves you. I'm going to guess a few months? So are there actually guys out there with enough persistence to just wait a few months, try and fail, move onto a new girl, try for a few months, and hope one of them won't freak out when he tries to kiss her? Given the odds of meeting a girl that likes the average guy, wouldn't this system mean that a guy takes years and years and years before he finds a girl who approves of him enough to even date him? That would certainly help explain the low fertility rate!


I don't know, I'd take 2 am, soju in my place as pretty clear too. Maybe you're dating a lot of innocent girls. Don't let the knobs on Dave's tell you "Ha,ha,ha Korean women, innocent, no way" because, especially in their early twenties and especially if they're not the type to hang around foreigners for English practice, a lot of them are. You need to be able to read them.

Kissing as a first stage is sort of new to Koreans. It's more all or nothing here so don't expect it.
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Oreovictim



Joined: 23 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait, how old are you again? 21 or so? I would think that that would be a good age to meet some women. My last coworker would go up to some area of Seoul where there's a women's university. He had all kinds of luck. (It might have been in Hongdae.) But he was hitting the clubs, and I don't know if you're a clubbin' kind of guy.

My situation is a little more difficult. I'm 34; most Korean women at that age are already married with kids. Sure, that's the same back in the U.S., but even more so here. On a side note, at my last teaching gig, the parents would come in to pay the monthly bills. Some of the moms were my age, and looked horrible. Not fat or anything, just, well, really old and worn out looking.

For being 34, I look really young for my age -early '20s sometimes mid '20s. I should just be dishonest and tell women that I'm 27 or so. But I'm not all about lying in a relationship. It's just that when I hang out with Korean guys and gals who are around that age, when they find out how old I am, they start to act a lot different - too uptight and aloof.
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