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KirbyMagnus
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Korea
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 Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 5:15 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
| He's a real Nowhere Man, living in his nowhere land, making all his nowhere plans for nobody wrote: |
| The point was not that I admire Vedder. It was that Mr. Tool is swimming in that same vocal pool. |
Then you're totally clueless, in that case. Maynard is a remarkably versatile singer who sounds totally different from track to track (and band to band - see A Perfect Circle vs Tool).
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| I'm not really a big fan of Radiohead, but anyone who isn't tone deaf can tell that Yorke's vocals way outclass Tool and Pearl Jam. You can of course not like what he's singing about, but that's not a comment on ability. |
It's impossible to decipher what he's singing about.
Here's an idea: why don't Radiohead fire Thom Yorke and replace his vocals on their songs with that of a baby being tortured? That's what it sounds like and they may save some cash.
| Nowhere Man wrote: |
| Still waiting for an example of the stellar Tool vocals. |
See OP.
Here are a few facts about Maynard James Keenan:
He's excellent at martial arts (see Mises' youtube vid above)
He's a winemaker - the very embodiment of sophistication
He's tough (been in the US Military)
He's artistic
He's big and strong
He's immensely charismatic, though admittedly difficult and pompous at times
He's funny (has done stand-up comedy). Admittedly Thom Yorke does comedy too, because people just look at him and laugh
He's sensitive, fiercely intelligent and down to earth
Maynard is the very reification of transcendent ubermenschen. Thom Yorke is a rather scruffy-looking fellow whose vocals consist largely of whining and crying like an injured animal and the side of the road. Maynard is the truck than ran him over. |
I'm sorry Justin but the "transcendent ubermenschen" got their arses handed to them in WW2. |
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Motto
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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like both bands, Radiohead mores so, as seen them live, would like to see tool so i could compare but ...
Also both bands have great music videos too, who's are better? |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
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| Then you're totally clueless, in that case. Maynard is a remarkably versatile singer who sounds totally different from track to track (and band to band - see A Perfect Circle vs Tool |
OK. Let's see:
APC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXlKkzjkheg |
Excellent performance. APC lie largely outside my sphere of interest generally, but also check out their song (well, their cover) of What's so funny 'bout peace love and understanding on APC's latest album Emotive where Maynard nails some very breathy, I suppose reluctantly Yorke-like vocals. Very nice and not at all whiney.
I love that song. Thanks for the vid.
| Nowhere Man wrote: |
It's looks like Tool did just that here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUKz-giPztA&feature=related
The song is really pretty OK until Eddie starts singing. And his baby outfit doesn't improve things at all. Maybe Tool should fire him, have no vocals, and let their stage effects (which are quite nice) speak for them? |
The Grudge is hardly an appropriate example of babyish, whiney vocals. It's one of their most aggressive songs. That was an amazing performance of said song. Maynard, nor any of the musicians, miss a note - perfect!
Absolute crap from start to finish. That Ideotech in particular really is insufferably dreadful. Again, I had to switch off less than half way through because the vocals are so bad and actually a little out of tune (not that there is much of a tune) at one point. |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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Reflection
The grudge
Ticks and leeches
Parabol
Parabola
46 and 2
AEnima
Jimmy
Intolerance
Swamp Song
10,000 Days Part II
Vicarious
Jambi
Right in two
Rosetta Stoned
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I'm 3: 30 minutes into reflection and still getting the same bass and drum riff thrown at me.....annoying at best . This is Sh!t . Don't insult radiohead to compare it to this . I'll give the rest a listen for the sake of a fair trial ..but man...so far NO good .
For a short list of radiohead tracks I'd advise in my order of preference..ok computer not included as requested..
Idiotecque
Street spirit (fade out)
2+2=5
Wolf at the door
Pyramid song
everything in it's right place
Last flowers 'till the hospital (b-side)
Videotape
Could honestly go on..they hardly have one bad song... |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| With all that said...muse is better than both bands . |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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WRT Radiohead:
[quote="bovinerebel"]
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Could honestly go on..they hardly have one bad song... |
Yeah, never mind that whole incredibly monotonous first album, that didn't happen.
/not saying one band is better than the other |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Underwaterbob"]WRT Radiohead:
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Could honestly go on..they hardly have one bad song... |
Yeah, never mind that whole incredibly monotonous first album, that didn't happen.
/not saying one band is better than the other |
I like Pablo Honey. Sure, no mind-blowing technical masterpieces, but it was a bit more upbeat than everything else and was just instruments, as opposed to boxes with buttons on them. |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| I like Pablo Honey. Sure, no mind-blowing technical masterpieces, but it was a bit more upbeat than everything else and was just instruments, as opposed to boxes with buttons on them. |
Same here . I listened to it and loved it before the bends even came out .
Anyone can play guitar/ thinking about you /creep /you /stop whispering etc...good solid rock songs for a first album put out by teenagers . |
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KirbyMagnus
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| bovinerebel wrote: |
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| I like Pablo Honey. Sure, no mind-blowing technical masterpieces, but it was a bit more upbeat than everything else and was just instruments, as opposed to boxes with buttons on them. |
Same here . I listened to it and loved it before the bends even came out .
Anyone can play guitar/ thinking about you /creep /you /stop whispering etc...good solid rock songs for a first album put out by teenagers . |
It's an ok album. The band themselves have admitted that it is poorly sequenced and they had stronger songs they could have put on it.
The Bends is awesome!
Justin, sorry to sound like a tool (no pun intended) but can you tell me what are Tool's best straight up rock songs? There are some days in Korea when I am really in the mood for something heavy and loud. |
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bovinerebel
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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Sploolie vs. Blablablah Head.
Jughead vs. Shaggie. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:31 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, Bovinerebel, for the vids. I'll watch 'em this evening before I go out and get drunk as hell. Really though, Radiohead Friday night music? I'll give it a shot though. That's just regarding the Radiohead links. I like Muse a lot and don't need convincing, but I'll watch them anyway.
| Bovinerebel wrote: |
I'm 3: 30 minutes into reflection and still getting the same bass and drum riff thrown at me.....annoying at best . This is Sh!t . Don't insult radiohead to compare it to this . I'll give the rest a listen for the sake of a fair trial ..but man...so far NO good .
For a short list of radiohead tracks I'd advise in my order of preference..ok computer not included as requested..
Idiotecque
Street spirit (fade out)
2+2=5
Wolf at the door
Pyramid song
everything in it's right place
Last flowers 'till the hospital (b-side)
Videotape
Could honestly go on..they hardly have one bad song... |
Reflection has a long intro but it has different parts. The question is...what picture are Tool - peace be upon them - trying to paint? Do they succeed in painting it?
The song is 11 minutes +. You need to listen to the entire thing. Tool don't write 4 minute pop. If that's what you're into, listen to Green Day or Oasis. Tool don't make riff-raff music for riff-raff people. They transcend in the Pink Floyd tradition.
And why on Earth reference Ideotech - the title at the top of your pile? I absolutely fucking hate this track. Yorke's vocals are tuneless, whiney and suicide-inducingly depressing. Why don't Rhead fans get together, torture a baby, record it, and mix it with a cacophonous assault upon decency and aesthetics and make a million bucks?
| KirbyMagnus wrote: |
| Justin, sorry to sound like a tool (no pun intended) but can you tell me what are Tool's best straight up rock songs? There are some days in Korea when I am really in the mood for something heavy and loud. |
Vicarious
46 and 2
Stinkfist
The grudge (you must, must listen to this song at extreme volume)
Swamp song
Basically, mate, listen to all the songs in my OP. It's heavy-going because most songs are long, but, as I said previously, Tool's music epitomizes the majesty of Mother Nature's manifold works - harshness, beauty, abstraction, simplicity, complexity, base barbarism, indecency, intelligence. |
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Nowhere Man
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