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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Location: asdfghjk
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| i have absolutely NO IDEA how anyone can prefer korean beer over canadian beer! is there some mystery korean ale that i've yet to try? what canadian beers have you tried (there ARE some disgusting brews out there)? help a beer drinker out! |
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jindodog
Joined: 31 May 2007 Location: not seoul
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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*Americans really are ignorant about the rest of the world...they live in their own bubble (hey, it is a big country).
*Most of the world really does hate America, and aren't afraid to tell you...though everyone hates the big boy on the block.
*I second a previous post that american kids should be learning Spanish or some sort of useful foreign language starting in elementary school.
*English is really useful worldwide
*The way most American towns and cities are set up in a retarded fashion that makes driving everywhere neccessary...lame.
*No wonder drunk driving is a problem in America when there are hardly any alternatives in mid to small sized cities and towns. (no taxis just driving by, no subway, gay bus system).
*restaurant food at home is way overpriced and tipping sucks (but i will tip when i should, 15-20% because hey, i did that shit for 8years and it's hard and you work on 'commission' so to speak).
*I like my country way more now than when i left it.
*Following laws is good, especially traffic laws. (for the most part).
*trees and grass are lovely
*sometimes carpeting is nice
*People should take off their shoes in the house
*more people should have bidets |
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sjrm
Joined: 27 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| nautilus wrote: |
I must've been incredibly lucky to have grown up with plenty of pets and animals around. At one stage I had a pet monkey, was nursing 2 sick birds back to health, a tortoise, 2 cats and their kittens, a dog, fish, and a cobra.
I get the impression Koreans think animals are either a joke, a deadly threat, a mortal enemy, stupid, or dirty. The ignorance of a life spent in an appartment block....  |
no, they usually just end up in their soup. |
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planthopps
Joined: 05 May 2008 Location: Korea
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| I appreciate having a yard. Respect for other people's culture and personal space. That people who are fat, tall, short, white, black, tan, and such are good and make life interesting. |
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Vancouver
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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Panhandlers usually work on their routines more in my country. In Korea they usually just kneel down on the subway steps with their head on the ground and a box or hat in front of them.
I'm not sure which style in better.  |
how bout the one that doesn't follow you for 5 blocks...but i'm glad it hasn't happened to me
| ernie wrote: |
| i have absolutely NO IDEA how anyone can prefer korean beer over canadian beer! is there some mystery korean ale that i've yet to try? what canadian beers have you tried (there ARE some disgusting brews out there)? help a beer drinker out! |
kokanee is a little watery.
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| Respect for other people's culture |
ok, so I guess we know you're not Canadian (partly joking) |
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Grab the Chickens Levi

Joined: 29 Apr 2008 Location: Ilsan
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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I knew Britain was doomed a while ago. Nothing recently has made me change that view. If anything I think it's more doomed than ever.
When I turn my computer on the first page is Msn.co.uk. The first page:
*Alan 'fuking' Sugar and his Apprentice programme. "You're fired!" Brilliant!
*"Britain's got Talent" winner didn't listen to Doctor's advice to win the program. Brill! Well Done!
*Britain's coastline is disappearing! OMG. An island is getting even smaller, Sh*t Where's everyone gonna live? Holy Sh*t.
*Where are the former Big Brother housemates now? Who f*king cares? I hope they're all doing very very badly and in a great deal of pain.
See I've done it again. I despise celebrity culture and media with a passion. After watching Charlie Brooker's Screenwipe, which was mint, I feel the urge just to start complaining as soon as anything is on tv.
Being in Korea and when I was in Sweden you really notice the media fuelled paranoia in the West. It's a disgrace. So pleased not to be there.
The crazy cow thing at the moment is kinda funny considering the tactics that the media is using (a scapegoat, the Beef) as a reason to try and get people incensed about LMB. They want him gone. EVERY country's media does this, pick on a minority issue blow it up as a touch paper for a bigger issue. This whole issue has made me realise how stupidly sensitive some Yanks are. Jesus, grow up! |
UH? Koreans are just as much into celebrity culture!
I realised coming here that in England we treat each other very nicely indeed (as fellow humans even - gasp) at work compared to the culture of guilt and humilliation in the workplace in Korea.
After a year here I returned and worked in London for 18 months, it took a while to get used to actually being treated politely and as a real, appreciated human being by my coworkers and managers.
Um, I found that England can be boring and I missed the 24 hour culture where you can get a beer, food, see a film, go to a pc room, norraebang etc at anytime anywhere.
I realised that we have a lot more green spaces and trees and parks, but what with Korea being 75% mountains, I can't blame them for that. Actually, I ddi miss the mountains very much whilst I was away.
We don't have the herd mentailty at home and I found that very refreshing I must say....
Um, I find people in Korea to be a lot less menacing than the general public and youth in England and I MUCH prefer going drinking or clubbing in Korea as you don't have the whole 'tough guy' culture and if you spill someone's drink you're not going to get in a fight about it and noone's walking around trying to impress each other by being 'hard.'
That's all for now. |
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Nomadder

Joined: 16 May 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Service is still slow, because thats mostly a function of preparation. You get quick service in Chinese restaurants, and there's no expectation that you tip. I have this argument with a classmate of mine, who spent over 5 years in F&B. He thinks wait-staff are owed 20%. At least. I try very hard never to give more than 15%. He kills me off in hypos because of it. The hysteria surrounding tipping is irrational. Color me Mr. Pink. |
I'll agree with you there. I think 20% is stupid. I don't mind having the lever of control but I'm also not in the business of subsidizing someone's career choice. I tip on the whole experience. If something sucks, even if it's not the waiter's direct fault, I have no way of communicating my displeasure at a slow or incompetent chef other than reducing the waiters tip. If a bad chef is costing him tips, he has a very very powerful motivation to demand the chef stop making him look bad. Sure I can be understanding but if you're tipping a waiter and you're never going to go back because the chef can't cook, you're in the long run not doing the waiter a favor as the restaurant will soon have no customers, be they good tippers or bad tippers. |
Tipping actually subsidizes the restaurant owners entrepenurial choice as well. I don't particularly like the practice but there are some things I'd like to mention.
1. The cooks don't care about a damn thing the servers have to say. Ever. In any restaraunt. If it does come to a managers attention there's not much they can do about it other than to tell the employees to stop fighting.
2. If you have a problem that is not the servers fault then complain about what it is. Don't punish the server, or use some excuse to tip less.
3. I don't know how it is in Canada, but in the US every table a server waits on costs him/her money. If you tip poorly, or not at all you are taking money out of your server's pocket. Not only do they make 2.15/hr (in most states), they are also taxed on the tips they are expected to make based on the $ amount of your bill. Most weeks this means not making a paycheck at all. Also most restaurants have a system in place where the servers are expected to help pay the bartenders, hosts, bussers, and sometimes expediters. Also you could take into account the opportunity cost of whoever else might have taken that table and tipped well.
Having said all that I do understand why people hate tipping. I don't like doing it myself, and I've waited tables. (obviously) I've taken to eating less in restaurants because of it.
I'm not trying to get anybody to tip better if you're not inclined. I'm just trying to educate those who might be better tippers if they had more knowledge of how the system works (at least in the US).
Oh as far as what % is what:
Less than 10% = Server paid to wait on you.
15% = Average
Above 15% = good service
20%+ = Excellent
At one point I just stopped giving good service because I started having fantasies of gouging customers eyes out of their sockets with a spoon after one too many incidences of providing excellence and receiving crap.
After I started providing so-so service... Even 10% didn't bother me that much. I started turning in the performance I was already being paid for and interestingly I didn't experience a huge dropoff in average nightly income.
Oh and it is true. Servers do some nasty things when they remember you after a poor tip, or if a co-worker remembers and informs. (urine in salsa, wiping cutlery against a sweaty sack, visine in the beer, etc... Spit ain't the worst)
All in all I'm not whining about the unfairness of it all. Servers ultimately make a choice to continue working the at the position. We all live with the choices we make, and are free to pursue others. (In that regard I think waiting tables was a good experience in preparing me for teaching in Korea.) So if you wanna' tip poorly then do so, but at least now you know more than you did before. (presumably) |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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More similarities than differences, really. I was expecting everything to be different in Korea, but instead, I found out that many things were the same as back home. Especially people. A lot of my Korean friends remind me of Canadians that I know. When I originally came here I thought the cultural difference might be as obvious as night and day, instead, I discovered that it took me half of my first year to even start to pay attention to the subtle differences in cultures (spare the more obvious ones we see ajosshi doing everyday).
I've learned to appreciate Canada more in some ways. The openness, and most of all, the street life. I really miss buskers banging on their guitars on a summer day with no intention of selling anything. I miss being able to meet people in the most random of places and make friends in the strangest of ways. The openness and spontaniety, things which seem to lack in Korean society, are two things I miss dearly.
One negative thing I learned, however, is how my fellow countrymen behave when they go to other countries. The things I've heard/seen Canadians and other Westerners of my age and background doing are absurd. I thought the Western crowd in Korea would be a bit better behaved than the fraternity/University-aged nightlifing crowd back home, but I was sorely disappointed.
I learned that Westerners have a tendency to let go of inhibitions when they go abroad because they're not being watched by their respective communities, and it speaks volumes of our "holier than thou" culture. I was the opposite: inhibiting myself more as to not offend people. Koreans and people from other Asian countries don't "come into being" nearly as much as Westerners do when they go abroad. |
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Omkara

Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I've learned, the longer I stay here, the more differences I see. . . |
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Are they the lemmings

Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Location: Not here anymore. JongnoGuru was the only thing that kept me here.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| My wife thinks I'm MacGyver because I can manage simple household repairs. |
Trivia: Here in Japan, MacGyver is known as Boken Yaro MacGyver ("MacGyver, the Adventure Guy"). In a similar vein, The A-Team is Tokko Yaro A-Team ("A-Team, the Suicide Attack Guys"). Somewhat disappointingly given the possibilities that "XYZ Yaro" naming pattern presents, Knight Rider is known simply as Knight Rider.
Right, then, carry on. |
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Zenas

Joined: 17 May 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Since living outside my Western nation I've come to realize that:
Multi-culturalism is a crock being forced down our throats
Different peoples were created to live among their own people for a myriad of obvious reasons to anyone who has lived in another culture
Other nations have a right to decide what is best for them and the Globalists have no right to make them conform to their dictates.
Nation states are important and necessary
Immigration should be tightly controlled and limited to the kinds of people the nation was composed of by its founders.
My home country is finished. |
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Grab the Chickens Levi

Joined: 29 Apr 2008 Location: Ilsan
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Zenas wrote: |
Since living outside my Western nation I've come to realize that:
Multi-culturalism is a crock being forced down our throats
Different peoples were created to live among their own people for a myriad of obvious reasons to anyone who has lived in another culture
Other nations have a right to decide what is best for them and the Globalists have no right to make them conform to their dictates.
Nation states are important and necessary
Immigration should be tightly controlled and limited to the kinds of people the nation was composed of by its founders.
My home country is finished. |
Wow, your ideas sound so North Korean! |
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catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Zenas wrote: |
Since living outside my Western nation I've come to realize that:
Multi-culturalism is a crock being forced down our throats
Different peoples were created to live among their own people for a myriad of obvious reasons to anyone who has lived in another culture
Other nations have a right to decide what is best for them and the Globalists have no right to make them conform to their dictates.
Nation states are important and necessary
Immigration should be tightly controlled and limited to the kinds of people the nation was composed of by its founders.
My home country is finished. |
So why are you here then? Shouldn't you be living among your kind?  |
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Zenas

Joined: 17 May 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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" So why are you here then? "
Probably for the same reasons most of you are:
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My guess if if you could make as much net income at home with as much savings, you'd be there - "among your own kind" - and not here.
And if you could get the same health care for same amount there you'd be there and not here.
But you can't. So, here you are. Pining for home. |
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Dome Vans Guest
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| But you can't. So, here you are. Pining for home. |
On a thread entitled "What have you learned about your own country after Korea?" no wonder we are talking about our home countries. Pining is too strong a word and not relevant. |
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