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catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004

Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject:

Jandar wrote:

catman wrote:

This is one of the reasons why the Iraqi government will not sign the new SOFA deal with the US. Iraq doesn't want to be used as a launching pad for invasions into other countries.

Good I hope they don't sign it.

The US is really trying to bully them into signing it. Especially before Obama is elected.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject:

catman wrote:

Jandar wrote:

catman wrote:

This is one of the reasons why the Iraqi government will not sign the new SOFA deal with the US. Iraq doesn't want to be used as a launching pad for invasions into other countries.

Good I hope they don't sign it.

The US is really trying to bully them into signing it. Especially before Obama is elected.

The Iraqi Kurds really want the US to stay.

Ayatollah Sistani the highest Shia muslim authority in that part of the world is not opposed to the agreement.

Iraq's democratically elected leader supports it or is almost supports it.

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject:

catman wrote:

The US is really trying to bully them into signing it. Especially before Obama is elected.

B. Obama is going to stop the bullying. He will confront the bullies and he will stop them. B. Obama is going to reinvigorate the Fertile Crescent and recreate Eden before our very eyes.

By the way, where, Catman, are you getting your information on the W. Bush Administration, State, Defense, R. Gates, and CENTCOM's motives in their dealings with the Iraqi govt? Please do not tell me that you are reducing the American govt to a monolithic "them" again...

Kuros

Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject:

ddeubel wrote:

First -- show me the proof (I won't bother with all the questions a la Gopher). You just blindly follow / believe your own govt. Add yourself to the brainwashed list.

I'll respond to this, the rest is unworthy of my attention.

You, and BigBird, are the biggest sophists on this forum. You point at the rest of us and call us followers.

Yes, foreign fighters have been moving through and back from Syria.

NYTimes article.

You and I live in different worlds, Ddeubel. I live in a world that is complicated and the truth is shared by all in the world. You live, well, somewhere else.

ManintheMiddle

Joined: 20 Oct 2008

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:18 am Post subject:

Kuros noted:

Quote:

As usual, here Ddeubel starts with a reasonable position, and then contorts it with so much self-righteousness, arrogance, and over-the-top condemnation, that it becomes unrecognizable as such.

Well put, my fellow poster.

Big Bird chirped to defend ddeubel:

Quote:

I agree with the general thrust of it,..."

We know that in general thrusting appeals to you, but perhaps when you have time you can elaborate. Wink

ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:25 am Post subject:

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ddeubel wrote:

First -- show me the proof (I won't bother with all the questions a la Gopher). You just blindly follow / believe your own govt. Add yourself to the brainwashed list.

I'll respond to this, the rest is unworthy of my attention.

You, and BigBird, are the biggest sophists on this forum. You point at the rest of us and call us followers.

Yes, foreign fighters have been moving through and back from Syria.

NYTimes article.

You and I live in different worlds, Ddeubel. I live in a world that is complicated and the truth is shared by all in the world. You live, well, somewhere else.

Unworthy of your attention because you don't want to see anything that disturbs your quiet little world view.....keep living in your closet.

And so a N.Y. Times article is your proof? Duh.....

Of course fighters will go across borders. But as short as a few weeks ago, the U.S. high command issued a statement that Syria was doing a great job in cooperating and stopping the flow of "illegals" across its border with Iraq. I won't even bother to link for you....you won't even look.

But the point is mute. The U.S. has no right whatsoever, never, ever, even with a lever - to cross international borders and kill innocents (along with its supposed "enemies". ) This is just vile and barbaric. Not befitting a nation which should and I hope one day will be , a shining light to truth and freedom.

Right now I'm watching a movie "Catch a Fire" about the ANC and its early rise in S.Africa. Exactly the same path the U.S. has taken. Torturing, killing and creating terrorists. What a play they weave! And you think it what must be , what is real? Dupe. Innocents killed will rise again and kill and so on and so on........

We need a normal approach and we don't need the U.S. having a zero humanitarian mission in the world and full of selling/donating millions of weapons all over , keeping the killing and fire aflame.

But yeah, we are worlds apart. You are sleeping with the devil and don't even know he's sucking the life from you.

I have fought hard for my freedom from stupid ideologies and stupid allegiances to "higher authority". I speak as a free man -- you speak as a slave. Keep shooting , each one goes in yourself.

DD
http://eflclassroom.ning.com

Oh yeah, I forgot. Middleman, you are very average. All pretense, no substance....get thy back to your cave.

Kuros

Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:44 am Post subject:

I feel the need to clarify my statements above. BigBird is, in addition to what I've said, also: Intelligent, thoughtful, sincere, and even polemic (a fighter?). Many of these same traits apply to Ddeubel as well in a similar degree. But obviously, one needs to be at a certain level to even hold their own on the CE forum. But BigBird is entitled to her opinion. I don't believe everyone is entitled to their opinions, but BigBird offers a full support and accounting for her reasoning and develop a logical sequence of points backed up by evidence. Sometimes I forget that this is an ability held by only a minority of the world's population.

Ivor

Joined: 24 Oct 2008
Location: Wherever you are!! Really! (in Daejeon)

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

Ivor wrote:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

Stopping Saddam , Khomeni or Bin Laden or those that follow them is justice and it saves lives and it has saved lives.

But the US did create Saddam and Bin Ladin Smile

Not really.

Those Afghans who fought the Soviets got their money and weapons through Pakistan who got stuff from the US. The US never organized anything and Al Qaeda wasn't even started until either 1988 or 1996 depending on what is considered to be Al Qaeda. which was after the US stopped giving stuff to Pakistan.

The vast majority of Saddam's weapons came from France and the USSR .Not the US. Iraq had no jets , no tanks and no guns from the US. Its SCUD missiles came from Russia via North Korea. Saddam's chemical factories were from Germany When Saddam invaded Iran the US didn't even have diplomatic ties with the US.

Thanks for giving me the chance to correct the history here.

Jumping the gun, eh'

Fact: US gave dual use stuff to Irak:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/iraq57.pdf
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Iraq/Saddam_MadeInUSA.html

Fact: US made the Frankenstein bin Laden
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/madein.htm

I guess you need to dig deeper than the scalp of it Cool

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject:

[quote="Ivor"]

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

Ivor wrote:

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

Stopping Saddam , Khomeni or Bin Laden or those that follow them is justice and it saves lives and it has saved lives.

But the US did create Saddam and Bin Ladin Smile

Quote:

Jumping the gun, eh'

Fact: US gave dual use stuff to Irak:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/iraq57.pdf
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Iraq/Saddam_MadeInUSA.html

Notice

DUAL USE.

What did the US have it for. The US wasn't using it for the same stuff that Saddam was using it for, not only that most of the stuff wasn't tightly controled which meant that nearly any nation in the world could buy it.

The fact is that the vast majorty of Saddam's weapons came from the USSR and FRANCE and Iraq's chemical plants came from Germany.

By the way Thirdworldtraveler is not a reliable source.

Quote:

BERGEN: This is one of those things where you cannot put it out of its misery.

The story about bin Laden and the CIA -- that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden -- is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently.

The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/15/bergen.answers/index.html

Jandar

Joined: 11 Jun 2008

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject:

ddeubel wrote:

Quote:

The terrorist have no right to cross borders and expect not to be pursued.
So long as people like DD support terrorists and attacks on America there will be pursuit.

Continue to defend your Sharia.

RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject:

What happens when those places get bombed anyway? Is Syria going to talk about "10/26" for years to come and wallow in self-pity? How does it work over there?

Kuros

Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:44 am Post subject:

RJjr wrote:

What happens when those places get bombed anyway? Is Syria going to talk about "10/26" for years to come and wallow in self-pity? How does it work over there?

Wow. Yeah. That's what Americans do. Wallow in self-pity.

The callous idiocy of the anonymous over the internet.

RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject:

It's what we do. At some point, hopefully we can move on like the Vietnamese have.

ReeseDog

Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified

Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject:

RJjr wrote:

It's what we do. At some point, hopefully we can move on like the Vietnamese have.

It might be what you do, jagoff. Don't group the rest of us in with your sorry ass.

catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004

Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject:

Gopher wrote:

catman wrote:

The US is really trying to bully them into signing it. Especially before Obama is elected.

I don't know for sure if Obama would threaten to cut off financial aid to Iraq if a security agreement is not signed. I do not the current government has.

Quote:

In a move reflecting a new sense of desperation that has overtaken U.S. officials, Gen. Ray Odierno, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, warned Iraqi officials that they would lose a total of 16 billion dollars in assistance for the economy and Iraqi security forces unless the agreement is approved by parliament, according to a story by McClatchy newspapers reporter Leil Fadel Sunday.

The threat was contained in a three-page document listing all of the forms of assistance that the United States would terminate if a U.S.-Iraqi agreement is not accepted, which was given to various top Iraqi officials last week, Fadel reported. USA Today reported that the list included "tens" of functions that the Bush administration is now threatening to halt if the pact is not approved by the parliament.

McCain refuses to say whether or not he would support the Iraqi security agreement because he is against the timetable. It must be "conditioned based."

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