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| Are smokers generally inconsiderate? |
| Yeah, I think so. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
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| So, I'm still waiting for a smoker to explain to me why there is such an inordinate amount of cigarette butts on the street? Is that because of addiction too? |
Well, this is Korea. I wouldn't call the number of cigarettes in the streets "inordinate" compared to the amount of garbage lying about in general. |
You know, casually thinking, I would have believed that too
So today I made sure to pay a little bit more attention as I waited for the bus (and such).
Yup, sure did seem like an excessive amount to me. |
Where do you live? |
Seoul (north of the river to be exact). |
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EzeWong
Joined: 26 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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I've been on both sides of this.
I used to ABHOR smokers and smoking.
And then smoked 2 packs a day.
It really was partially a change in attitude from goody two shoes to being the gigantic asshole I am now.
SO yes, I do think smokers are generally inconsiderate. And I'm not talking because they smoke in other people's faces. Just all around inconsiderate. Smoking does not make them inconsiderate. Rather the people who smoke are risk takers and generally... well "cooler".
If you read the book "Blink" or "Tipping Point" (forgot which book) by Malcom Gladwell talks about smokers and why smoking is generally regarded as "cool". It's because people who smoke are risky and outgoing. Most smokers aren't concerned about being proper.
Which is why most of them are "inconsiderate". I'm not saying anyone who smokes is cool either. A lot of them are just general douchebags... but that also conforms to the reason why smokers are inconsiderate. |
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nolegirl
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, people die from smoking. People also die from drunk drivers. Should we ban alcohol? How about just banning cars, then? Where do you draw the line?
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Haha, they do ban people from drinking and driving.. lol, you will lose your license if caught. What is your point?
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Go start a non-smoking bar and get back to me on how that does? Thats right you would do shitz and go bankrupt. |
any proof that they will result? lots of bars in Canada (no smoking aloud) and they haven't gone bankrupt.
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Come on you stupid complainers, keep pissing me off so I will make sure to be the most inconsiderate smoker ever, hoping that I am blowing smoke in all your faces! |
hoping lung cancer catches up to you too 
| nolegirl wrote: |
So again leave Korea if you don't like it, or better yet leave all of Asia and Europe b/c your sort of screwed, hehe |
for now, but you will be when you are on a ventilator in the hospital when you are 50. Just remember "we told you so" |
I will not die on a ventilator, I will die from doing to much crank.
I am sure in Canada non-smoking bars do well but try Korea, I don't think so. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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What gets me is those over-the-top anti-smokers, often themselves ex-smokers. Those people suck. |
AHAHAHAHHA well you got to despise it to let it go! So I try to remind myself of how disgusting it is... until I start drinking jack then IM smoking a couple! Then remind myself Monday why my mouth feels shit due to the disgusting cigarettes I smoked Saturday night hahahhaa
When I ever I see a smoker or smell smoke I tell myself how disgusting it is and how stupid those people are, well unless they are my friends ahahahaa... I smoked for 10 years full time, 5 years part time...
Now only when I am hammered Ill smoke 1 or 10 my friends smoking doesnt help either..
! but I�m trying to end that too but it doesn�t matter how disgusting I tell my mind that cigarette is, when I�m drunk I DONT GIVE A *beep*!! hahahahaha |
Makes sense. Ex-smokers know how hard it is to stop, and how easy it is to start again. Must be why some of them go hardcore. |
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DRAMA OVERKILL
Joined: 12 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| Overly loud and drunken foreigners barking/slurring at you for smoking can suck a hog (and wash their freakin' hands after going to the toilet!!!). |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| Smoking relieves stress. Everytime I'm stressed out and I watch someone smoke in a movie, i want to go out and buy a pack. that crap kills you though. There was a William buckley piece i read a few months ago, just skimmed actually, but (if i remember correctly) he truly lamented smoking and wished that a future dictator would ban it. This from a (pro-drug-decriminilization) ultra-conservative. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:37 am Post subject: |
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There you go again, acting like a child.
Air pollution sucks, but I choose not to live in Seoul, as it is literally everywhere and can not be avoided. But I also caused some of that pollution (as we all did) so fair is fair.
The yellow dust is a natural effect that got worse by China's deforesting and air pollution. Just bad luck for Korea.
Cars actually serve a purpose in our society. But smoking does not, except to give weak-willed people an excuse to be anti-social.
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| It is not reasonable to ask people to breathe any smoke, even 3 seconds worth |
That's the problem right there - the fact that you think it's unreasonable.
Do you think it's unreasonable to live in a country with such air polution, like Korea?
Do you think it's unreasonable to go outside during Hwang-sa (yellow dust) season without a mask?
Do you think it's unreasonable to breathe in car fumes?
It seems to me that if you think breathing 3 seconds of second-hand smoke is unreasonable, you should live in a bubble. |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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There you go again, acting like a child.
Air pollution sucks, but I choose not to live in Seoul, as it is literally everywhere and can not be avoided. But I also caused some of that pollution (as we all did) so fair is fair.
The yellow dust is a natural effect that got worse by China's deforesting and air pollution. Just bad luck for Korea.
Cars actually serve a purpose in our society. But smoking does not, except to give weak-willed people an excuse to be anti-social.
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| It is not reasonable to ask people to breathe any smoke, even 3 seconds worth |
That's the problem right there - the fact that you think it's unreasonable.
Do you think it's unreasonable to live in a country with such air polution, like Korea?
Do you think it's unreasonable to go outside during Hwang-sa (yellow dust) season without a mask?
Do you think it's unreasonable to breathe in car fumes?
It seems to me that if you think breathing 3 seconds of second-hand smoke is unreasonable, you should live in a bubble. |
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There you go again, rationalizing everything while calling people names - an Ilsanman staple!
Did it make you feel better to call me a child? Because it sure reflects a lot more on you than it does on me. Think about that. |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified
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| Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| nolegirl wrote: |
| skconqueror wrote: |
| Hanson wrote: |
Yes, people die from smoking. People also die from drunk drivers. Should we ban alcohol? How about just banning cars, then? Where do you draw the line?
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Haha, they do ban people from drinking and driving.. lol, you will lose your license if caught. What is your point?
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Go start a non-smoking bar and get back to me on how that does? Thats right you would do shitz and go bankrupt. |
any proof that they will result? lots of bars in Canada (no smoking aloud) and they haven't gone bankrupt.
| nolegirl wrote: |
Come on you stupid complainers, keep pissing me off so I will make sure to be the most inconsiderate smoker ever, hoping that I am blowing smoke in all your faces! |
hoping lung cancer catches up to you too
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So again leave Korea if you don't like it, or better yet leave all of Asia and Europe b/c your sort of screwed, hehe |
for now, but you will be when you are on a ventilator in the hospital when you are 50. Just remember "we told you so" |
I will not die on a ventilator, I will die from doing to much crank.
I am sure in Canada non-smoking bars do well but try Korea, I don't think so. |
You're a sexy little cupcake. Don't let anyone tell you different. |
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tigercat
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| Hanson wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
However, are you seriously positioning your argument on the lines of 'Smoking addiction is the same as a physical handicap'?
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Wow - that's extreme, especially for you, Cap'n.
Of course 'Smoking addiction is the same as a physical handicap' is ludicrous. My example was to point out how people respond to these groups of people.
Handicapped people have great difficulty getting around (problem) - we accomodate them, within reason, by building a ramp, putting in elevators, arrange special transport, ... (of course, Korea is a ways behind in this regard...).
Smokers annoy/"pollute" non-smokers (problem) - give non-smokers the clean air they want by accomodating the smokers with ashtrays 10 meters away from the doors, provide segregated rooms for us to smoke in (like at the airport), ...
Lastly, if I had a nickel for every hardcore non-smoker's sneer, comment, look, etc... I'd be a rich man. Example: my dad smoked for 40 years before quitting a few years ago. When I visited him after he quit smoking, he wouldn't even let me smoke in his garage because, in his words: "the smell of your smoking makes me gag". Funny how that happens... |
That's a completely different argument. Building ramps and elevators for physically-challenged people does not pose a problem for anything, but designating spots for people to smoke allows them to smoke, which we all know is unhealthy. Why should any non-smoker's money go into health insurance or taxes for people who intentionally and knowingly subject their bodies to toxins? I don't want to inhale second hand smoke and I don't want my money going towards helping smokers who really should know better.
And to the OP, I do think that many smokers are inconsiderate. Especially friends and acquaintences who don't ask if you mind them smoking (when they are sitting across from you) and those who sit and smoke in the non-smoking section in the BC Bang when the smoking section is practically empty.  |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: |
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I call the how I see them.
Your behaviour speaks louder than anything. Rationalizing your antisocial behaviour by blaming others for not making laws.
Taking it personally...a Hanson trademark.
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| Ilsanman wrote: |
There you go again, acting like a child.
Air pollution sucks, but I choose not to live in Seoul, as it is literally everywhere and can not be avoided. But I also caused some of that pollution (as we all did) so fair is fair.
The yellow dust is a natural effect that got worse by China's deforesting and air pollution. Just bad luck for Korea.
Cars actually serve a purpose in our society. But smoking does not, except to give weak-willed people an excuse to be anti-social.
| Hanson wrote: |
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| It is not reasonable to ask people to breathe any smoke, even 3 seconds worth |
That's the problem right there - the fact that you think it's unreasonable.
Do you think it's unreasonable to live in a country with such air polution, like Korea?
Do you think it's unreasonable to go outside during Hwang-sa (yellow dust) season without a mask?
Do you think it's unreasonable to breathe in car fumes?
It seems to me that if you think breathing 3 seconds of second-hand smoke is unreasonable, you should live in a bubble. |
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There you go again, rationalizing everything while calling people names - an Ilsanman staple!
Did it make you feel better to call me a child? Because it sure reflects a lot more on you than it does on me. Think about that. |
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rusty1983
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Howdy brothers and sisters
I'm quitting tomorrow and found this thread for the first time.
It's so hard to quit. I've tried 4 times in the last year and I've failed miserably, sometimes after just a week. The longest I quit for was 4 months, but a seriously stressful situation overclocked my mind-u.
Gotta increase my will power skillz
This is it. Today is my last day of smelling bad, smokey breath, can't-breathe but I run 5k a day life.
How long do you think it'll be before my sense of smell comes back? How about lung capacity power - will it take a long time before I can feel it when I run, work out, etc?
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It's really hard to do it via willpower. Truth is that most smokers are not inconsiderate just really addicted. Maybe more ignorant than inconsiderate (I mean ignorant in the nicest possible way!), it is generally hard to tell if someone is bothered about you smoking.
I quit 4 days ago and been using nicotine replacement, makes it well easier but gotta quit that eventually. I read the Allen Carr book too, and would recommend it. I was thinking 'this is a lot of bollocks' when I was reading it but finished it, woke up and chucked out my tobacco. If I can anyone can, I have absolutely no willpower.
It is good because it debunks all the myths. You might say smoking relieves stress but it's the stress created by smoking. People who dont smoke arent walking around all stressed out all the time. Then you have the inconvenience of it all etc. When I was in Korea I couldnt feasibly smoke when I was teaching, without being seen. So Id go for like 7 hours without and by the last 2 classes I was losing concentration and in a bad mood. Likewise on planes etc.
The problem is it doesnt do anything for ya. If it gave you a nice warm smacky-buzz or made you feel like youd been tooting some solvents Id be able to justify myself in carrying on, but there arent any benefits.
The motivation for me is women. I figure you immediately lose at least half of your potential partners by smoking. However last night I was just about the only one not smoking and think that that theory might have backfired!
I got my sense of taste and smell back and didnt feel as hungover today as I usually do.
Got a lot of energy all of a sudden too and no idea what to do with it!
I think the smoking ban in the UK has worked well, people smoke less when theyre out. And then for those that do there are usually well-heated patios so its not like a great hardship (its fucking cold at the moment here!). It is fairly grim on non-smokers cos it does stink, especially those Korean fags.
What is inconsiderate is when people smoke around people who are eating, that is vile.
I used to say that if theyre gonna ban smoking, why not ban cars? Everyday for 4 years I walked down a busy road and got an intense lung-full of exhaust fumes and I know for sure that that wasnt good for me. Ive never driven a car in my life.
In my mind, alcohol causes more trouble than anything but theyll never ban that. Youre more likely to lose your eye in some fight in a bar than get lung cancer from 2nd-hand smoke. Smoking doesnt cause big mad fights and people rarely get mown down by people who smoked a cigarette before getting into cars.
Alcohol is comfortably more damaging than nicotine and you just have to see the city centres in England on a Saturday night to see it is also more of a threat to non-drinkers than smoking is to non-smokers.
So yes there is some hypocrisy but I think the smoking ban is working out, here at least. In Korea? No chance.
Im really glad I quit. We are heading towards times when smokers are gonna be seen as social pariahs and Im out of that. |
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Freakstar
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: |
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I enjoy the rare cigarette every now and then, but smoking sucks. I'm not vain, but just not into the whole smell, yellow teeth, wrinkles thing. And I'm turned off by a woman who smokes, no matter how hot she is.
But back to the OP's question, I'd say that it all depends on the individual smoker. From what I've seen in bars and other public places, some smokers can be extremely inconsiderate, while others go out of their way to be considerate. I know one guy who will always ask for permission to light up if he's around other non-smokers. He also makes it a point of holding onto his cigarette butts until he can find a trash can rather than just tossing them into the street or nearest bush. |
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:26 am Post subject: Re: Are Smokers generally inconsiderate? |
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| I'm not a big fan of sweeping a massive group into any one stereotype |
Well I'm a big fan of it; they are all dirty, filthy, smelly fuckwits who insist on making me smell like shit, like themselves, and have after bar breathing difficulty. |
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hugekebab
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| nolegirl wrote: |
| skconqueror wrote: |
| Hanson wrote: |
Yes, people die from smoking. People also die from drunk drivers. Should we ban alcohol? How about just banning cars, then? Where do you draw the line?
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Haha, they do ban people from drinking and driving.. lol, you will lose your license if caught. What is your point?
| nolegirl wrote: |
Go start a non-smoking bar and get back to me on how that does? Thats right you would do shitz and go bankrupt. |
any proof that they will result? lots of bars in Canada (no smoking aloud) and they haven't gone bankrupt.
| nolegirl wrote: |
Come on you stupid complainers, keep pissing me off so I will make sure to be the most inconsiderate smoker ever, hoping that I am blowing smoke in all your faces! |
hoping lung cancer catches up to you too
| nolegirl wrote: |
So again leave Korea if you don't like it, or better yet leave all of Asia and Europe b/c your sort of screwed, hehe |
for now, but you will be when you are on a ventilator in the hospital when you are 50. Just remember "we told you so" |
I will not die on a ventilator, I will die from doing to much crank.
I am sure in Canada non-smoking bars do well but try Korea, I don't think so. |
You smell. |
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