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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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| bjonothan wrote: |
Yeah, how dare they control them while they conduct terrorist activities and are lobbing all kinds of weapons into Israel.  |
Gee, I guess these two actions are just a coincidence? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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He is good for that, is he not? And, as I said, above, that hot-headed journalist deserved everything he recd. On the other hand, beware Z. Brzezinski's faulting the W. Bush administration like that. He, like many from Washington, suffer accute U.S.-centrismitis.
Remember when Brzezinski claimed to have brought down Soviet Russia?
In any case, I see no evidence that you get it, Bangbayed. Taking these people at face-value carries its own problems. |
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bangbayed
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
Location: Seoul
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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The US media really hates Israel doesn't it?  No wonder they have to resort to using Youtube to get their message across. |
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samcheokguy
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
Location: Samcheok G-do
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Most educated arabs would agree, if pushed, Hamas are 1)crazy 2)a result of saying bring democracy to the middle east. Arab culture is tribal, religious, and elite-oriented. Let the arab street vote and you get crazy people running the place. They know it. Democracy is not for everybody. That guy from Singapore would agree with me. |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| samcheokguy wrote: |
Most educated arabs would agree, if pushed, Hamas are 1)crazy 2)a result of saying bring democracy to the middle east. Arab culture is tribal, religious, and elite-oriented.
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Dude you're getting very dangerously close to sounding like a racist bigot though you probably aren't intending to be. The British once used pretend that they needed remain in countries such as India and Ireland because the inhabitants weren't up to the job of running their own affairs and somebody needed to be their to keep order.
This is really at the heart of Israeli propaganda. They don't go on TV telling their citizens to kill Palestinians and Arabs but what they do is teach their children that they surrounded by people are basically inferior to them and who only want to cause Israel harm just because it's a Jewish state and for no other reason. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| blade wrote: |
| Dude you're getting very dangerously close to sounding like a racist bigot though you probably aren't intending to be. |
No, he isn't. You're injecting the words "bigot" and "racist" into the argument becuase you can't really refute what he's saying.
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| The British once used pretend that they needed remain in countries such as India and Ireland because the inhabitants weren't up to the job of running their own affairs and somebody needed to be their to keep order. |
Strangely, I wonder why you didn't use Zimbabwe / Rhodesia in your example.
| blade wrote: |
| This is really at the heart of Israeli propaganda. They don't go on TV telling their citizens to kill Palestinians and Arabs but what they do is teach their children that they surrounded by people are basically inferior to them and who only want to cause Israel harm just because it's a Jewish state and for no other reason. |
Are you speculating on what you think the Israelis are doing? Yes. Yes, you are. |
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samcheokguy
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
Location: Samcheok G-do
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| the most well governed arab regimes are the Kingdoms of Jordon, Morocco, the UAE and Qatar. All of which are non democratic regimes, nor make any claim to be so. |
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newteacher
Joined: 31 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
Strangely, I wonder why you didn't use Zimbabwe / Rhodesia in your example.
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Wait, what? Democracy isn't working out too well in Zimbabwe? |
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| samcheokguy wrote: |
| the most well governed arab regimes are the Kingdoms of Jordon, Morocco, the UAE and Qatar. All of which are non democratic regimes, nor make any claim to be so. |
You left out Egypt and Turkey, what about Pakistan?
Are they not Arab? |
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ReeseDog
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| NoExplode wrote: |
| Israel are going to attack Iran... They'll sweep these guys up, and they'll attack Iran within a month of Obama taking office. |
You calling it?
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| As far as who's right, the Israeli's are. The Palestinians wanted a "homeland" and got it, yet they now aren't happy to be given land, they now decide they want the destruction of Israel. You can't make peace with these guys, so F' em. |
Damn straight. |
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Gimpokid
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
Location: Best Gimpo
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Jandar wrote: |
| samcheokguy wrote: |
| the most well governed arab regimes are the Kingdoms of Jordon, Morocco, the UAE and Qatar. All of which are non democratic regimes, nor make any claim to be so. |
You left out Egypt and Turkey, what about Pakistan?
Are they not Arab? |
Arab is like so many social labels, there is lots of grey area and different ways to define who is Arabic.
It would be fairly easy to make the case that Eygpt is Arabic, quite a bit harder for Turkey and a pretty big stretch to say that Pakistan was an Arab Nation. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I do not have the information on who "took away their country" (and how did they come to claim it as theirs, again?). But I do know that their strategies and tactics -- that is, violence, violence, and more violence -- reap the harvest that they deserve. |
Excellent. I love when the high-brow crowd arrives to strike some sense into the plebes.
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There is absolutely no reason for there to be an independent Pali state. None. Zip. Egypt and Jordan can absorb their kin.
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EXACTLY! Unlike that clear, glaring reason for plunking down an Israel encompassing the holiest city in the world
(oh wait,...*cough*...*cough*... lemme collate my notes on the rationale for that)
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| using them as your foil, you imply that we should understand that you see this from a neutral, unbiased perspective. |
Yesh, Goph kicks himself several times in the face before he goes laying such accusations. Try that before deciding such hypocrisy suits you. |
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samcheokguy
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
Location: Samcheok G-do
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Gimpokid wrote: |
| Jandar wrote: |
| samcheokguy wrote: |
| the most well governed arab regimes are the Kingdoms of Jordon, Morocco, the UAE and Qatar. All of which are non democratic regimes, nor make any claim to be so. |
You left out Egypt and Turkey, what about Pakistan?
Are they not Arab? |
Arab is like so many social labels, there is lots of grey area and different ways to define who is Arabic.
It would be fairly easy to make the case that Eygpt is Arabic, quite a bit harder for Turkey and a pretty big stretch to say that Pakistan was an Arab Nation. |
Arab countries are countries that speak Arabic is a official, first language, it includes Morrocco to Iraq. Iran is Persian, Turkey is Altaic, and Pakistan is multi-ethnic speaking several Indo-languages. Also Egypt is a total farce democracy and is not a well run country. |
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Gimpokid
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
Location: Best Gimpo
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| Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| samcheokguy wrote: |
| Gimpokid wrote: |
| Jandar wrote: |
| samcheokguy wrote: |
| the most well governed arab regimes are the Kingdoms of Jordon, Morocco, the UAE and Qatar. All of which are non democratic regimes, nor make any claim to be so. |
You left out Egypt and Turkey, what about Pakistan?
Are they not Arab? |
Arab is like so many social labels, there is lots of grey area and different ways to define who is Arabic.
It would be fairly easy to make the case that Eygpt is Arabic, quite a bit harder for Turkey and a pretty big stretch to say that Pakistan was an Arab Nation. |
Arab countries are countries that speak Arabic is a official, first language, it includes Morrocco to Iraq. Iran is Persian, Turkey is Altaic, and Pakistan is multi-ethnic speaking several Indo-languages. Also Egypt is a total farce democracy and is not a well run country. |
I think your post is a better response to the question as it's a political definition of Arabic (is Somalia Arabic?), but Arab is also a cultural label and there are people that can be identified as Arabic that can't speak Arabic. |
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