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megandadam
Joined: 28 Dec 2008
Location: toronto, canada
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| Funny how some feminists who would stand up for women's rights normally are so willing to give Muslims a free pass. It is so obvious that in this day and age the worst, institutionalized mistreatment of and discrimination against women is being done by Muslims in the name of Islam yet because of the hard-left's fawning obsequiousness in the name of cultural relativism Islam is not criticized and is even defended. |
well, then i wouldn't call them feminists and it's certainly not funny. the cultural relativism thing should go by its real name: fear. any religion that condones or facilitates physical violence isn't worth the medium it's printed on.
many european countries and north america suffer from negative population growth, which forces them to increase immigration. the fact that in the religions you are talking about one of the effects of having female property is that they are baby machines. so their population skyrockets and then they spread into other countries. even the christians (some) forbid the use of birth control. and the vatican couldn't be happier. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:17 am Post subject: |
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We can argue with hard leftists back and forth for eons.
The muslim population in the United Kingdom is expanding at 10 times the rate of the native population. I'm totally comfortable in waiting now. These naive types will have history smack them in the face.
You want to defend a hard-right neo-nazi ideology that is spreading like wide fire in your country? Fine. Let's see how far it goes. You'd think that damned Europeans would have figured this stuff out by now. Oh well. Here comes history. |
What do you propose then? Pograms? Mass expulsions? Compulsary sterilisation for muslim women? What's your solution? |
There isn't one for the UK.
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The Muslim population in Britain has grown by more than 500,000 to 2.4 million in just four years, according to official research collated for The Times.
The population multiplied 10 times faster than the rest of society, the research by the Office for National Statistics reveals. In the same period the number of Christians in the country fell by more than 2 million.
Experts said that the increase was attributable to immigration, a higher birthrate and conversions to Islam during the period of 2004-2008, when the data was gathered. They said that it also suggested a growing willingness among believers to describe themselves as Muslims because the western reaction to war and terrorism had strengthened their sense of identity.
The total number of Muslims in Great Britain:
2004: 1,870,000
2005: 2,017,000
2006: 2,142,000
2007: 2,327,000
2008: 2,422,000
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article5621482.ece |
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megandadam
Joined: 28 Dec 2008
Location: toronto, canada
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
We can argue with hard leftists back and forth for eons.
The muslim population in the United Kingdom is expanding at 10 times the rate of the native population. I'm totally comfortable in waiting now. These naive types will have history smack them in the face.
You want to defend a hard-right neo-nazi ideology that is spreading like wide fire in your country? Fine. Let's see how far it goes. You'd think that damned Europeans would have figured this stuff out by now. Oh well. Here comes history. |
What do you propose then? Pograms? Mass expulsions? Compulsary sterilisation for muslim women? What's your solution? |
There isn't one for the UK.
i would have to agree with this, with conditions.
of course, it depends on how devout these muslims are and how far they listen to the radical imams.
and whether or not one thinks of this as a 'problem' in need of a 'solution' and, as i say above, how devout they are and if they are swayed by the radical current.
"the chickens coming home to roost" seems to be an apt phrase.
i would say that over the next couple of decades, in the UK at least, you will see measures set on immigration that we now would call discriminatory. whither denmark for example. |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| In finance terms, short the UK (and France, and Holland and Belgium etc). |
With which countries do you go long? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| asylum seeker wrote: |
| Funny how some feminists who would stand up for women's rights normally are so willing to give Muslims a free pass. It is so obvious that in this day and age the worst, institutionalized mistreatment of and discrimination against women is being done by Muslims in the name of Islam yet because of the hard-left's fawning obsequiousness in the name of cultural relativism Islam is not criticized and is even defended. |
Can you name one of these feminists that gives muslims a free pass on domestic violence, and perhaps link me to one of their articles on the topic? I've had a very hard time believing this, although it is a criticism I've seen levelled at feminists before. If you can prove to me that this is not some urban myth propogated by columnists at worthless news rags such as The Daily Mail, I'd be very interested. Personally I've never met a feminist who said the equivalant of "While domestic violence is generally very wrong, it is fine when perpetrated by muslims, because that is their culture."
If you can find me one of these feminists, that would be very interesting. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
We can argue with hard leftists back and forth for eons.
The muslim population in the United Kingdom is expanding at 10 times the rate of the native population. I'm totally comfortable in waiting now. These naive types will have history smack them in the face.
You want to defend a hard-right neo-nazi ideology that is spreading like wide fire in your country? Fine. Let's see how far it goes. You'd think that damned Europeans would have figured this stuff out by now. Oh well. Here comes history. |
And what do we do about it, mises? What do you propose, other than bitching continuously about them and thus causing an even greater divide between 'us and them' making it even more likely that they will feel like unwelcome aliens in the country of their birth, and so perhaps more likely to hate the country that spawned them?
What's your practical solution? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Well, we apologize and cover up motivations for actions. Of course.
Or we can just convert. Have you done that yet? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Well, we apologize and cover up motivations for actions. Of course.
Or we can just convert. Have you done that yet? |
Come on. Answer my question. What exactly (apart from whining and bitching) do you propose we do? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| There is no reasonable, tasteful way to deal with the problem. All I can ask is that my country learn from the death of yours. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| For the UK, end government support for faith schools. Make multi-faith religious studies mandatory, possibly up to GCSE level. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| ED209 wrote: |
| For the UK, end government support for faith schools. Make multi-faith religious studies mandatory, possibly up to GCSE level. |
This will accomplish little. Demographics are the future. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| There is no reasonable, tasteful way to deal with the problem. All I can ask is that my country learn from the death of yours. |
This is wild hysterical nonsense. Life will go on, as it ever does, and one day Pakistanis will be forgotten and we'll have a new 'threat' for the papers to get the mob worked up over. Yes, there are some problems with some muslims, but they are not the existential threat of your wild exaggerations. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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No. What you forget is that the UK is London surrounded by a very drunk, belligerent and angry Mississippi.
The muslim population is growing TEN TIMES the rate of the kafir. You claim to understand maths. This isn't a small thing. The demographic future of the UK is muslim. The assumption that this population replacement will occur without Mississippi erupting, is naive.
So there isn't much point in arguing. Either I'm wrong or I'm not. Only time will tell. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| How about tax breaks for men without beards, free pork pies in every primary school, and cheaper travel if you show your ankles. |
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michaelambling
Joined: 31 Dec 2008
Location: Paradise
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| I teach plenty of Muslims at the moment and you have to be careful what you say. However, if they choose to make a remark about western society (how we 'mistreat' women by using them for sex etc) then no one bats an eyelid. |
I would quit. Sincerely, screw that. |
Well it's molre annoying than anything. It is recently that a few have been coming out with remarks I dont think are really on. I dislike the anti-America comments too. Britain is fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan too but obviously they choose to ignore it. We are told to stay neutral at all times and are supposed to discourage any talk of politics but at an international school obviously differences in culture come up.
I'll be fair, it is a minority of the muslim students that are vocal in this regard, most of them are lovely. Many of them love England and come to the pub with us!
Recently though my patience has worn very, very thin. There have been homophobic remarks made to a gay colleague, and friend, of mine on top of all the chatter about western society.
Im very close to losing my cool with some of them. One in particular is going to get a piece of my mind if he starts it again next week. |
This is IN England? Ferchrissakes, do they know where they are when they are talking that shit?
I don't blame you for being upset. I'd wanna send the little brainwashed, backwards pukes (just the unlovely ones, of course) out a window for feeling they could spout their garbage in my presence while in my country.
Goodbye, England. You had a nice run, but the writing is on the wall. |
This is truth. The country hasn't learned from America's example and is going down the road of hyper-PC nonsense, while not actually trying to change the attitudes and social ills that make people racist and xenophobic. On top of that, they're letting their judicial system be run by various political agendas, the entire country is one giant CDI Hagwon (I'm referring to the CCTV), and they aren't trying one bit to become more efficient. Britain is a more inefficient and wasteful country than any other I have ever seen. Including Korea. |
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