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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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 Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:27 am Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
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| If you invade another country it doesnt make it right even if you tell yourself its for your own self preservation. Did Japan give anything back to Korea that they stole without being forced to? Uh, dont think so. |
Are you still upset with how you managed to prove nothing in the last thread and were soundly trounced by a wall of logic and reasoning, and then you were completely humiliated when myself and others showcased how Korea had done far worse things to Japan previously thus turning your own arguments, stance, and opinion against you? |
1. You showed me thatKorea did worse things? How? By referring to some invasion over 1000 years ago? Korea killed nearly amillion Japanese back then Gordo?
2. I won the debate. The facts are still facts. Japan was an aggressor and invader that slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people, nearly a million, enslaved tens of thousands and sexually enslaved thousands of women. Those are facts. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| tokki wrote: |
| 2. I won the debate. The facts are still facts. |
Which debate are you talking about? I'm talking about the one from a week ago. In fact, I can't remember a single debate where you've "won" nor even backed up your claims with any evidence other than with sites that say "this might be true" and "this is our guess" or are simply inflammatory and lacking documentation or fact, plus what little evidence you presented often contradicted you.
I fail to see why you wish to lie to us any say you "won the debate" when we all read it already and know what really happened. You showed up, made a bunch claims that were either false or unsubstantiated, had your own "evidence" contradict you, your own opinions turned against you, and then after that you did nothing but insult anyone who had a contrary opinion to yours for several postings while adding nothing of value to the conversation. Perhaps in your next post you can tell us how you won the 2002 Superbowl by yourself playing against the entire other team. If you're going to lie and make things up we all know to be false, at least go all the way and be creative as to be entertaining. |
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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:00 am Post subject: |
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Show me how any of these facts are falsehoods. Then you can say you defeated me.
1. Japan invaded Korea.
2. Under Japanese rule, hundreds of thousands of people died.
3. Japan forced Koreans to work as sex slaves.
4. Japan slaughtered millions of people all over Asia.
5. Japan forced people, not only in Korea, to work as enslaved labourers, and hundreds of thousands of people died due to piss poor living conditions.
Show me how even one of these points is wrong. All the bullcrap about invading due to self preservation, can be left at the door Gordo. Show me how any one of the above 5 points is wrong. EVEN ONE. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| tokki wrote: |
| Show me how any of these facts are falsehoods. Then you can say you defeated me. |
Hi.
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| 1. Japan invaded Korea. |
As discussed already, there was no invasion but rather a liberation and protectorate that was invited and welcomed by most. Please refer to the previous thread to discuss how Japan ended up here.
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| 2. Under Japanese rule, hundreds of thousands of people died. |
As discussed already, this number is unsubstantiated and wildly viewed as being heavily inflated. Please refer to the previous thread.
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| 3. Japan forced Koreans to work as sex slaves. |
As discussed already, most Korean sex slave workers were there of their own choosing or put in place by other Koreans or even their own families. Plus Japan employed more of their own citizens as prostitutes than they did Koreans. Please refer to the previous thread.
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| 4. Japan slaughtered millions of people all over Asia. |
As discussed already, irrelevant to the discussion of what happened in Korea. Please refer to the previous thread.
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| 5. Japan forced people, not only in Korea, to work as enslaved labourers, and hundreds of thousands of people died due to piss poor living conditions. |
As discussed in the previous thread, the masses clammored to work in Japan to such a level that Japan had to deport boatloads regularly. While the pay was lower (much like how Chinese workers in Korea make less than Koreans), it was not slavery. Korean standard of living actually went up under Japanese rule and Korean fatal accidents in the workplace was the same as Japanese labourers. Please refer to the previous thread.
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| Show me how even one of these points is wrong. All the bullcrap about invading due to self preservation, can be left at the door Gordo. Show me how any one of the above 5 points is wrong. EVEN ONE. |
As discussed already, please refer to the previous thread. |
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tokki
Joined: 26 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| So Gordo couldnt disprove a single point. A lot of mumbo jumbo, words designed to cover up the truth, and to put a spin on it, but in essence, the truth is still the truth and no amount of Gord b.s will change it. There was an invasion, hundreds of thousands were slughtered, Japan slaughtere millions all over Asia and Im sorry, not ALL the comfort women were there of theor own choice. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| How soon till this thread gets split or locked? |
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dominic
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:38 am Post subject: lol |
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| they're not even talking about the original topic anymore |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I've been overpaid by 100,000 on my first two paychecks... and I'm keeping quiet about it. |
Would you be quiet if you were underpaid?
Well, would you?
Then the obvious answer is to cough up and return the cash. |
Absolutely. I would only advocate keeping the money if the director had a history of paying late, and treating you badly. However, that doesn't apply in most cases, and if that isn't the case for you, then your actions are tantamount to theft. Not to mention that you don't represent Westerners very well. Have you thought about that too? |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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Still don't get how it is theft.
If someone gives you something, they give it to you.
If they don't clarify HOW they pay you in a detailed pay stub, they shouldn't expect YOU to point out their error and give the money back.
It's like if someone deposited 100 bux to your account...is that theft because THEY made a mistake and you kept the money? They did GIVE it to you. |
It's another case of the "legal blues" for a poster on this board. I will give you some advice. The law isn't what you think it is, the law is the law. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Do your family appreciate having to sign contracts when you give them Christmas presents? |
A contract does not need to be written, nor signed. A contract is simply an agreement. |
True. But, from a legal perspective keep on the topic of theft. The Lloyds case in the UK is a good example of overpayments. A customer checked her balance on the ATM, and discovered there was a huge amount in her account. She realised there was a mistake, but still spent the money. The bank realised their mistake (much later) and asked for the money back. She couldn't repay it, and she was charged and convicted of theft. Of course, Korean law is different. Has anyone been able to find any cases from the internet? I searched, but I didn't unearth anything. I even asked a Korean friend who is a lawyer, but he hadn't studied criminal law for a long time. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| tokki wrote: |
| A lot of mumbo jumbo |
That's a decent way of summarising your efforts on that particular topic.
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| There was an invasion, hundreds of thousands were slughtered, Japan slaughtere millions all over Asia and Im sorry, |
If I recall correctly, you failed to prove this. I remember some "mumbo jumbo" figures, probably compiled by some ambulance chasing Chinese lawyers, but nothing beyond that. So, not only do you digress from the topic in hand, but you also highlight your previous humiliation.  |
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ryleeys
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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I could still care less what the hell you people think because once is an accident, twice is on purpose and I don't even know what half my contract says anyway.
I did want to be nice to my director though since she's been nice to me... so I took her family out for a dinner that put me back 70,000. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 5:04 am Post subject: |
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I could still care less what the hell you people think because once is an accident, twice is on purpose and I don't even know what half my contract says anyway.
I did want to be nice to my director though since she's been nice to me... so I took her family out for a dinner that put me back 70,000. |
That's it. Take them out with their money. Hey! You even get to keep the 30,000 won change. Sad. |
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ryleeys
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD
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| Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 5:07 am Post subject: |
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Sad? Not really... we had a good time actually. Later, my boss invited me back to her house with her husband and we tossed back a few beers. We discussed finances and after talking about some tax issues, she said she was happy that she hired me because I'm good with money... then she said she'd like to have me back for a second year.
This sound like someone that is upset about the money she's paying me? |
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