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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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 Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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I've got a 400-500K Won PC (600K Won 2 years ago) and I can play FEAR II at 50 FPS/1680x1050/full settings.
Why do you guys waste SO much money on super-high end first adopter stuff?
You can even play Crisis at 60 FPS on a 700-800K Won PC you could buy today. |
With medium settings and low resolution.
It still takes quite a machine to get more than 30fps with Crysis at max settings and high resolution....above 1680x1050.....I know because Crysis is my favorite game. My E8400/HD4870/4GB rig (all overclocked) can only manage 25-ish FPS with Crysis on max settings.
Crossmr....you're the one started the pissing match................back when you defended the poster who said buy a laptop.........you bought an expensive laptop and you want to feel right in your choice.....
.....the fact is, what's right for you might not be right for another....
Those of us who live in Korea don't want laptops. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Crossmr....you're the one started the pissing match................back when you defended the poster who said buy a laptop.........you bought an expensive laptop and you want to feel right in your choice..... Those of us who live in Korea don't want laptops. |
That's right, I was defending him. Why? because demophobe made the false claim that laptops were weak desktops. While that is true with a lot of laptops, laptops out there exist that are very high end. Regardless of the cost, that much is true. All I did was point that out that there are some very high end laptops out there. It got turned into a pissing match about dollar for dollar power, which obviously desktops win. I never claimed otherwise.
I live in Korea and I am happy with my laptop. I don't have to justify that with anyone. So no, not everyone living in Korea wants a desktop. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Crossmr....you're the one started the pissing match................back when you defended the poster who said buy a laptop.........you bought an expensive laptop and you want to feel right in your choice..... Those of us who live in Korea don't want laptops. |
That's right, I was defending him. Why? because demophobe made the false claim that laptops were weak desktops. While that is true with a lot of laptops, laptops out there exist that are very high end. Regardless of the cost, that much is true. All I did was point that out that there are some very high end laptops out there. It got turned into a pissing match about dollar for dollar power, which obviously desktops win. I never claimed otherwise.
I live in Korea and I am happy with my laptop. I don't have to justify that with anyone. So no, not everyone living in Korea wants a desktop. |
If you're firm and sure that you're staying in Korea for just one year...........I don't know how one can be so sure about that kind of thing..........then maybe a laptop is a good option.
But desktops are so much cheaper for the same power and usually more power. Like you admit........ I think a lot of people aren't so calculating as you. They want a capable computer for the right price. The laptops you're talking about are thousands of dollars! |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| The laptops you're talking about are thousands of dollars! |
They are and when I got mine 3 years ago, I debated it. It was trivial to bring it to Korea with me, if I had to sell a desktop and buy a new one here I'd have had to deal with back ups and other things like that (no matter how much I plan, I always forget to back up some directory somewhere), but there was no interruption. Just unplugged it in Canada and plugged it in here.
The only thing I bailed on was the cooler, which I replaced here for the same price.
Mine wasn't $5500 only around $2900 and I should get around 4 years out of it, which is sufficient for me for the convenience I've gotten out of it.
if I'm absolutely sure I'm not going to be moving for a bit I might consider a desktop next year, I've generally been a desktop guy but this laptop has treated me quite well. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| The laptops you're talking about are thousands of dollars! |
They are and when I got mine 3 years ago, I debated it. It was trivial to bring it to Korea with me, if I had to sell a desktop and buy a new one here I'd have had to deal with back ups and other things like that (no matter how much I plan, I always forget to back up some directory somewhere), but there was no interruption. Just unplugged it in Canada and plugged it in here.
The only thing I bailed on was the cooler, which I replaced here for the same price.
Mine wasn't $5500 only around $2900 and I should get around 4 years out of it, which is sufficient for me for the convenience I've gotten out of it.
if I'm absolutely sure I'm not going to be moving for a bit I might consider a desktop next year, I've generally been a desktop guy but this laptop has treated me quite well. |
Fair enough. I understand your valid point. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| because demophobe made the false claim that laptops were weak desktops. |
They are. Sure, if you want to pony up 6 million won, you get a snapshot of a machine that has most, but not all of the features of a desktop. When it finally becomes obsolete - and if you are the gamer you claim, it sure wouldn't take 3 or 4 years - then it is useless.
Now, to beat the last breath from this mule, I again stand on my claim that a laptop of that power is generously termed "portable" only by it's ability to be picked up as a single unit (with the necessary accompanying cables, of course). Having to plug it in wherever you go, having it weigh 6 kilograms, needing an external mouse and or keyboard, having an external monitor...these, IMO, make the concept of portability quite fuzzy. I also repeat that a micro ATX setup with a 17" monitor, offers a very similar fuzzy version of portability, with the added benefit of being upgradeable and altogether more flexible.
Therefore, the whole "transient worker" thing doesn't really wash out for me either; as I said many posts ago, you are hung up on some ideas of what "desktop" means. The solution outlined above would fit nicely and easily into a suitcase, or dissembled and reassembled into a new case when the final destination is reached. |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps you didn't see this...
$5,678 USD.
Absolutely stupid.
Like I said...suckers every minute.
My desktop is no screamer. It's solid, but not like CLs, so cut it with the digs. It just doesn't matter to me. I do have a nice 24" monitor...
However, my current midrange system will crush your laptop, and I assure you, and it could be built for $1500.
Your laptop is a brick. Sorry, but that is the truth. Try selling it and see what its worth. |
From someone whose first computer was a Sinclair Spectrum 48; there are no 'bricks' in the computer world. Merely different degrees of usefulness.
I don't know why you guys are going around like this. Laptops are more expensive for the same specs, that goes without saying. Desktops are less portable, which is also obvious.
You guys are arguing tautologies and stating the obvious.
Not everyone wants to take their computer with them everywhere.
Not everyone needs the fastest possible performance at a pricepoint.
One things for sure though, laptops are the way things are going for the industry. Just like no one uses mainframes anymore. |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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The bottom line is this:
Laptops may be more movable (dimensions only, not weight), but hardly portable, in the real sense of the word. The battery life just isn't long enough to make them truly portable.
Performance of a desktop cannot be beat. Desktops can be tweaked, drivers changed and the system can be overclocked with ease and without any real danger, unlike a laptop. Laptops will always be lesser machines in terms of pure performance.
Now, power for money (bang for buck) is a no-brainer. Laptops flat-out lose.
If we want to talk about a gaming experience, while arguably subjective, there is no way a 17" screen can compete with a big tv/monitor. The keyboard feels cramped, your hands are not in a sustainably comfortable position, and using the touchpad is idiotic.
EDIT: Before I closed the page at Dell, I saw this at the bottom....
ALSO INCLUDED WITH YOUR SYSTEM!
BLUETOOTH Internal Wireless Bluetooth� 2.1 with EDR
WIRELESS CARDS Internal 300Mbps Dual-Band a/g/n Wireless with MIMO Technology
Adobe Software Adobe� Acrobat� Reader 9.0
MOUSE POINTERS Mouse Pointers, Standard
WINDOWS STYLE Windows Style, Default
AUTOMATIC UPDATES Automatic Updates ON
POWER PLAN Power Plan, High Performance
TIME ZONE (GMT - 6.00) Central Time (US & Canada)
RSS FEEDS Alienware RSS Feed
I have always wanted a time zone of my own...
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Actually the economic argument isn't so clear. Factor in the cost of a spare room to put your desktop in. More laptops can find a home in the lounge than desktops.
I realised recently that if I go laptop for our PC when we return to NZ, I'll be able to rent a 2bdrm rather than 2bdrm plus study. That saves us $40 per week easy. Of course I'll be giving up gaming performance somewhat. |
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kprrok
Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Location: KC
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Actually the economic argument isn't so clear. Factor in the cost of a spare room to put your desktop in. More laptops can find a home in the lounge than desktops.
I realised recently that if I go laptop for our PC when we return to NZ, I'll be able to rent a 2bdrm rather than 2bdrm plus study. That saves us $40 per week easy. Of course I'll be giving up gaming performance somewhat. |
You need a room JUST for your desktop? Damn, you must have one really big desktop computer if it needs that much room. Got any pics?
Just messing with ya. I have my PCs in a spare room, and I love having them there. To me, it's worth the extra 20k per month I spent on this apartment. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| Actually the economic argument isn't so clear. Factor in the cost of a spare room to put your desktop in. More laptops can find a home in the lounge than desktops. |
Would it really be so terrible to set up a little desk and study area in the corner of a bedroom or living room? You need a separate room for your computer? |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| Actually the economic argument isn't so clear. Factor in the cost of a spare room to put your desktop in. More laptops can find a home in the lounge than desktops. |
Would it really be so terrible to set up a little desk and study area in the corner of a bedroom or living room? You need a separate room for your computer? |
Yes, I do. Ask my wife; she'll tell you! |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually the economic argument isn't so clear. Factor in the cost of a spare room to put your desktop in. More laptops can find a home in the lounge than desktops. |
Would it really be so terrible to set up a little desk and study area in the corner of a bedroom or living room? You need a separate room for your computer? |
For us married guys, the living room may be off limits.
Especially if you have one of those ultra big screens that some on here were going on about.
My desktop takes up quite a bit of room once you factor it all in. |
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ekul
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
Location: [Mod Edit]
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| Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Get a �ATX and build your own laptop! (minus battery). |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:42 am Post subject: |
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For us married guys, the living room may be off limits.
Especially if you have one of those ultra big screens that some on here were going on about.
My desktop takes up quite a bit of room once you factor it all in. |
May I suggest, in lieu of a dedicated room to appease your wife, a set of balls?
But seriously, my comp is in the living room, and I don't care what anyone says. It is my work, communication, movies, tv and games, without which I would be pretty much cut off from the unfiltered world. |
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broken76
Joined: 27 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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The argument seems to have gone from a gaming computer to desktop vs laptop.
Now there are several factors to consider. First is gaming power, next price, and finally cost.
Now pros for the desktop are that a desktop will always beat a laptop of the same specs. The reason being is that the parts for a laptop are built to save power. Next a desktop of the same specs will always cost less than a laptop since you aren't paying a premium for portability.
Pros for a laptop are portability. Yes you can take it anywhere you want and if you're traveling all of the time it's worth having a laptop and sacrificing some power and paying more for the portability.
Now the argument that you are only here for a year doesn't really make sense since you'll be saving several hundred or several thousand dollars by choosing to use desktop. That savings can be used to transport your desktop back home when you return. Unless you're planning on moving your rig constantly portability really doesn't mean anything.
For the money if it wasn't much of a factor for a killer gaming laptop you can easily get a more killler desktop and a really good laptop for the same price. High-end PCs are made for a very small number of people and are priced accordingly, high end laptops are made for an even smaller number of people and are priced accordingly as well. |
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