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Juregen
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| jvalmer wrote: |
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| A second/third language fluency should be mandatory for high school and university graduation |
This is a ridiculous idea if you want to make this a universal national requirement. How many on this board can honestly say that they are fluent in a second language? 10%? 20%? Fluency in the language, or languages, that the institution's program requires should be sufficient enough. |
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No it's not.
I am from Belgium, when I finished high school and I didn't know two languages well enough, I would only get the worst jobs.
When I finished University, without knowing three languages fluently, I would never get into management.
It is not impossible to achieve, but countries where the language has a strong presence in the world around them, they seldom feel the NEED to put in the extra effort.
Need being the operative word.
Korea is still not convinced it has to know English as a spoken language, they just come from a reality where a good TEST score will get you through Uni and into a good job, so that is their focus.
Once companies start demanding actual fluency, you will see a shift in demand to more spoken English rather than test taking English. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: , |
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| maingman wrote: |
some waygug-in wrote :
I would change the visa system to allow teachers to change schools...
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This time it is not about you. It's about the students. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Juregen wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| PRagic wrote: |
| A second/third language fluency should be mandatory for high school and university graduation |
This is a ridiculous idea if you want to make this a universal national requirement. How many on this board can honestly say that they are fluent in a second language? 10%? 20%? Fluency in the language, or languages, that the institution's program requires should be sufficient enough. |
hahahah
No it's not.
I am from Belgium, when I finished high school and I didn't know two languages well enough, I would only get the worst jobs.
When I finished University, without knowing three languages fluently, I would never get into management.
It is not impossible to achieve, but countries where the language has a strong presence in the world around them, they seldom feel the NEED to put in the extra effort.
Need being the operative word.
Korea is still not convinced it has to know English as a spoken language, they just come from a reality where a good TEST score will get you through Uni and into a good job, so that is their focus.
Once companies start demanding actual fluency, you will see a shift in demand to more spoken English rather than test taking English. |
Making a second language a requirement to graduate high school in Korea is a ridiculous idea. Korea has no significant language minority to appease. A Korean can be monolingual in Korea and still get a good job.
Don't get me wrong, learning a second language is beneficial. But making it a mandatory requirement to graduate isn't needed in Korea. |
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Seoul'n'Corea
Joined: 06 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="jvalmer"][quote="Juregen"]
| jvalmer wrote: |
Making a second language a requirement to graduate high school in Korea is a ridiculous idea. Korea has no significant language minority to appease. A Korean can be monolingual in Korea and still get a good job.
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Not true, a Korean is a language minority. They need to learn another language in order to survive the business world, higher paying work needs English, that is a simple fact here. But as the previous posted pointed out, it's about test scores in English, not actual fluency that counts. Korea screwed it's self on this one.
Bottom line is English in Middle School and High school needs to become an elective. But like anything here, there is no choice for students and everything is mandated. Very healthy isn't it. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Seoul'n'Corea wrote: |
| higher paying work needs English, that is a simple fact here. |
Simply not true, it may make it easier to get a high paying job in some industries, but it's not necessary. Just because a Korean doesn't know a second language doesn't condemn them to a life of poverty. That is why I think it's a bad idea, and unnecessary, to make a second language a requirement to graduate high school or university. |
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tottenhamtaipeinick
Joined: 05 Sep 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Korea is said to have the lowest birthrate in the world probably changed now though....That said if English fluency increased wouldn't the younger generation have a better opportunity to emigrate out of Korea to western countries where they can easily find work with well spoken English...The Korean economy would be doomed in that case where the highly educated would be leaving. It is a possibility to consider haha, especially since they would need to employ a higher number of foreign workforce and how many people truely would want to learn Korean! |
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maingman
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Location: left Korea
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:55 am Post subject: |
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wouldnt being tri-lingual suggest that you were born into 3 languages and therefore had not formally had to learn them?
therefore tri-lingual people would be the least qualified to answer how to improve a language system as being multi lingual requires no formal education.  |
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littlelisa
Joined: 12 Jun 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:40 am Post subject: |
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wouldnt being tri-lingual suggest that you were born into 3 languages and therefore had not formally had to learn them?
therefore tri-lingual people would be the least qualified to answer how to improve a language system as being multi lingual requires no formal education. |
Trilingual just suggests that you speak three languages fluently. Whether you grew up speaking them or learned them later, it's still trilingual. But past bilingual, don't people usually just say multilingual? |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 4:49 am Post subject: |
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le-paul does have a point however. If someone grew up in a household where they learned 2 or three languages naturally then this is not the same as the OP who learned a second languager in an immersion school.
Both people however might have something to offer this discussion. |
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