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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 5:42 am Post subject: |
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In the first place, these people are NOT criminals, no matter how badly you want them to be. Charges have been dropped. No crime. Not criminals.
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Simply because charges have been dropped do not mean people are innocent. |
Legally, which is how we are speaking here, it most certainly does mean they are not guilty. |
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runthegauntlet

Joined: 02 Dec 2007 Location: the southlands.
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 6:16 am Post subject: |
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You're right. A 'baptist' is just another word for a Muslim.
And then there are the subsequent posts:
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the arrests of the 10 U.S. Baptists |
From one of the articles:
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"God is our provider and God gives us strength and comfort," said Carla Thompson, one group member. "We have our Bibles and we are OK." |
Oh well. Try again.
These international criminals need someone pleading their case. |
OK, I see now: because the word "Baptist" appeared in an article I posted, that means that I am defending criminals because they are Christians??? Leap logic much?
In the first place, these people are NOT criminals, no matter how badly you want them to be. Charges have been dropped. No crime. Not criminals.
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Is it any wonder that the judge is letting these criminals go? This is Haiti! How much aid does Haiti get? And ESPECIALLY in the wake of this crisis?
If Haiti goes through with the detention of these criminals, then it's a smack in the horse's mouth. All of the aid received from the federal government and various religious organizations throughout the U.S. is UNDOUBTEDLY skewing the judicial process. |
Just where do you get this stuff from? Thousands of Americans are arrested and convicted of crimes every year in countries that receive US aid. As if any American can go to any such country and go on a crime spree with impunity!
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| But the constant bumping of this thread points very vividly to the agenda that Bacasper is trying to push. |
Apparently, it is only vivid in your imagination. What agenda am I trying to push exactly? |
No, if it were only that, then there wouldn�t be much reason to assert it. But your initial comment to my first post and subsequent comments throughout the thread readily point in that direction. Especially since you haven�t refuted such an assertion, but merely tried to argue that you never said as much. That�s telling in and of itself.
No, they commited a crime. They are criminals. You cannot just take children across an international border. If you could, they wouldn�t have been arrested in the first place. Would you like to dispute that it is in fact lawful to take children across international borders without proper documentation or (as in this case) parental consent?
And many American citizens are returned after being arrested. Even in North Korea!
The same agenda. You�re defending them because they�re Christians. Moronic Christians that are woefully unaware of international (or any?) law, but stupidity is not an excuse for doing stupid stuff. Anyway, that�s the long and short of it. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 6:30 am Post subject: |
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So now we have TWO people asserting that people unconvicted in a court of law are "guilty" or "criminals."
OK, guys, now please step back through the looking glass. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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So now we have TWO people asserting that people unconvicted in a court of law are "guilty" or "criminals."
OK, guys, now please step back through the looking glass. |
I never asserted any such thing. If I can stop quoting in your quote box I'm sure you can stop misrepresenting my position.
I said "Simply because charges have been dropped do[es] not mean people are innocent."
Obviously it doesn't mean they were guilty to start with either.
My point was the dropping of charges in and of itself proves NOTHING about guilt OR innocence as you were trying to claim. |
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guava
Joined: 02 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Desperate parents abandon children in Haiti
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cb_haiti_abandoned_children
The catastrophic earthquake that left at least 1.3 million of Haiti's 9 million people homeless was the final push over the edge for families that could barely afford to feed their children before. Now stuck in leaky tents with dwindling aid handouts, Haitian families are abandoning their children in the hope that rescue organizations will offer them a better life, aid workers say.
A 4-day-old baby girl was left in a cardboard box outside a hospital. Toddlers are being found alone in hospital waiting rooms. Outside a private clinic, volunteers discovered a 3-year-old holding a bag of carefully folded underwear. A note pinned to his shirt asked those who found him to look after him.....
And then there is 13-year-old Simon, who was left at the orphanage shortly after the quake. For the first time in his life, he ate until he felt full. He began attending school.
He recently sat inside the orphanage's main office next to his older sister, who had come to reclaim him. He tried to hide his tears by pulling up his T-shirt over his nose. When he couldn't hold it in any longer, he laid his cheek on the armrest of the couch, and his tears pooled on the imitation leather.
"If I go back with my big sister, I won't be able to go to school. She's going to make me sell water in the street � like I was doing before," he said. "I'll go back to a hard life."
Sniffling, he was led out of the orphanage. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Desperate parents abandon children in Haiti
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cb_haiti_abandoned_children
The catastrophic earthquake that left at least 1.3 million of Haiti's 9 million people homeless was the final push over the edge for families that could barely afford to feed their children before. Now stuck in leaky tents with dwindling aid handouts, Haitian families are abandoning their children in the hope that rescue organizations will offer them a better life, aid workers say.
A 4-day-old baby girl was left in a cardboard box outside a hospital. Toddlers are being found alone in hospital waiting rooms. Outside a private clinic, volunteers discovered a 3-year-old holding a bag of carefully folded underwear. A note pinned to his shirt asked those who found him to look after him.....
And then there is 13-year-old Simon, who was left at the orphanage shortly after the quake. For the first time in his life, he ate until he felt full. He began attending school.
He recently sat inside the orphanage's main office next to his older sister, who had come to reclaim him. He tried to hide his tears by pulling up his T-shirt over his nose. When he couldn't hold it in any longer, he laid his cheek on the armrest of the couch, and his tears pooled on the imitation leather.
"If I go back with my big sister, I won't be able to go to school. She's going to make me sell water in the street � like I was doing before," he said. "I'll go back to a hard life."
Sniffling, he was led out of the orphanage. |
It's too bad that
child rescuer = guilty child-molesting, criminal kidnapper
to some people, isn't it? |
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