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What do you consider the "ultimate laptop"?
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crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:50 am Post subject:

cj1976 wrote:

"What we are saying, those of us who experienced BOTH, is that the Mac experience is better. And we say this considering the hardware+software combination."

I've experienced both, and the Mac experience doesn't seem any better than Windows. I have Snow Leopard and it's not perfect. Like Windows, it does occasionally hang or slow down when under heavy load. For me, the most decisive factor in choosing between the two is the software that's available - including games. In this field, PC is the clear winner.

Well, the tech writers generally disagree with you concerning OSX/Windows.
Sure. Gaming is what PCs do best. However, I'd like to know what you're doing to experience a hang in OSX.
I have 2 Gigs ram, and a 2.5Ghz cpu running Logic Pro Studio (53gigs, with a 30 gig sample library, and 5 instruments plugged in through a midi interface.) Yet, everything runs without the slightest hitch.
Running a similar sized app, with the same peripheral plugins on an up-to-date, more powerful windows PC, my peers are lucky to get 30 minutes of work in without a crash. The culprit is usually third party software integration.

I understand experience is subjective. but there is a huge difference here.

the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:56 am Post subject:

crescent wrote:

the_beaver wrote:

crescent wrote:

the_beaver wrote:

crescent wrote:

No one has said that. What we are saying, those of us who experienced BOTH, is that the Mac experience is better. And we say this considering the hardware+software combination.

Nope. Had a Power Mac G4 at a place I used to work (actually, I use that term loosely -- kind of really just hung around helping out from time to time).

POS.

Well that was intelligently put. Says more about you than the computer.

That was well-avoided. Says as much about machead argument evasion as machead wit.

Yeah, avoided by you. No wit needed. Give me something to use it on. It was a G4 for kreist sake. A G4! We're talking 2003-2004...Do you want to argue about NeXT as well? What was the problem and what have you done lately?

With your needling ad hominems I'm inclined to respond in kind, but for the moment I won't.

The problems were that it crashed (I know I know, macs don't crash so I must be lying), the word processor kept switching back to Korean text when I was trying to overtype Korean words with English words, and sometimes things just disappeared and I don't know where they went.

Maybe the modern macs aren't so bad, but I was hearing pretty much the same arguments then that I hear nowadays.

Here's my two cents:

1. Programs for macs and windows-based machines work pretty well the same way and using Adobe products on a windows machine or a mac is pretty much the same (although the spat between apple and adobe might change that) except in a few instances like the word processing problem above.

2. The majority of people who don't like macs build their own machines (on this thread, anyway) so we're used to getting what we want rather than being told what we want.

3. In terms of laptops such a huge variety are available with windows-based machines that it's bewildering to me why anybody would think a mac can compare to all of them. If you want a gaming machine get an Alienware machine (all the price of a mac but way more power), if you want something small you can get way smaller than the 13" macbook (my old lifebook is 8.9"). There are touchscreens, flip screens, tablets, and a million other choices. Again, it's a matter of getting what you want rather than being told what you want.

crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:58 am Post subject:

Ad hominem? You mean like machead? You are comparing a 10 year old computer! Windows PCs weren't much worse back them? The whole what you want argument is flaky. If i wanted a PC, i'd get one. I had one. Then I had both. Now I have mac. That's what I want. Last edited by crescent on Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:03 am; edited 1 time in total

the_beaver

Joined: 15 Jan 2003

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:02 am Post subject:

crescent wrote:

Ad hominem? You mean like machead?

You are comparing a 10 year old computer! Windows PCs weren't much worse back them?

Machead is only an insult if you're insecure.

crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:03 am Post subject:

the_beaver wrote:

crescent wrote:

Ad hominem? You mean like machead?

You are comparing a 10 year old computer! Windows PCs weren't much worse back them?

Machead is only an insult if you're insecure.

Oh I see. So what ad hominem from me was an issue for you?

Anyway, back to that ancient G4 you used 'from time to time'. I'm willing to bet you just didn't know how to use it.
Why is that a good bet? G4s did not have native word processors. It was a third party word processor that changed fonts on you. Not the G4.

You couldn't 'find' something? Ok... Rolling Eyes

Bloopity Bloop

Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:38 am Post subject:

crescent wrote:

So what you're saying is you used Mac as a kid, but since then you exclusively use PCs . You think that qualifies you to be a user of both now?

Quote:

I dislike the OS believe it or not--as in, I f***ing hate it. I'm not into paying way more for (in my opinion) absolutely nothing but aesthetics.

The fact that you think OSX has more 'aesthetics' than Windows only proves you haven't used Mac much... or lately. If anything, Windows is more flashy, gaudy than OSX.
The 'we' I speak of is more than the few on this thread.... it's people in the music field, and many people I know who have switched over.

But don't listen to me, Steve jobs, listen to tech writers who generally give performance AND security favors to OSX.

http://www.laptopmag.com/mobile-life/snow-leopard-vs-windows-7.aspx?page=3

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-31012_7-10319612-10355804.html

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9137182/OS_deathmatch_Snow_Leopard_vs._Windows_7

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/secu/article.php/3865411/Windows-7-vs-Snow-Leopard-Which-is-More-Secure.htm

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/02/snow_leopard_versus_windows_7/

http://www.cio.com/article/501015/OS_Deathmatch_Snow_Leopard_Vs._Windows_7?page=2&taxonomyId=3234

It's not a matter of not needing the languages or not caring about this or that. The fact is, the size, the antivirus, and the things windows leaves out with that size is evidence of an OS that clearly is not 'great'. You may have not had a virus, but I can count a dozen people on this site alone complaining about having to reinstall Windows for that reason, even having antivirus installed. You are in a minority in that respect, and that is if you are believed. Windows viruses continue to make global newspaper headlines... in 2010.

I can download any software I want for Mac too. And from my experience and those in my field it jives much better than Windows ready stuff.

Lots of long time Windows users hate OSX. Of course they do... it's different. Very different. I remember when tons of Windows users moaned when MS wanted to change the startup menu. People freaked out because it was such a huge change... and I say 'huge' with sarcasm.
People generally like to be familiar with their computers. If you like doing things the Windows way, that's great... Now ask yourself why Windows has come to act more and more like OSX.

Sorry, I guess the lack of clarity in my post caused you to spend a lot of time digging info for no reason. When I mentioned aesthetics, I was referring to Apple computers' casing, not OS. I don't find the Apple OS aesthetically pleasing at all.

And I never claimed I was a "user of both" Apples and PCs. And the group of people you were talking about earlier, were people who HAVE used Apple and PCs, not people who ARE using both. I'm claiming to be a person who has used both and made the (smart) choice to stick with PC/Windows.

Finally, I can't even count the number of times I've seen Apples users complain on sites whining for a Mac version of some software to download.

EDIT: Nevermind.

crescent

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.

Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:15 am Post subject:

Bloopity Bloop wrote:

crescent wrote:

So what you're saying is you used Mac as a kid, but since then you exclusively use PCs . You think that qualifies you to be a user of both now?

Quote:

I dislike the OS believe it or not--as in, I f***ing hate it. I'm not into paying way more for (in my opinion) absolutely nothing but aesthetics.

Digging? You mean the 2 front pages on google? No effort there. I did that not because of a misunderstanding, but because those writers have more educated opinions that you do.

And, I was largely talking about people who used both side by side. I work with a lot of people and we share equipment. I work in studios with both. In the beginning, it was mainly a PC environment. Now it's shifting to Mac because of Windows failures.... I already said that.
You used both or you didn't use both a long time ago. Things change. You stuck with Windows through Vista?

Finally, Mac users have no reason to whine about the lack of software anymore. It just isn't the case now. In some cases, on Demonoid and Audiozonetorrents I see the exact REVERSE.

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