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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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I'll listen to people who complain about how 'smoke is deadly' provided that they do not use electricity from sources that cause pollution. Or drive a car. Or purchase products which produce pollution. Otherwise their health argument is just a fraud.
Yes, part of living in society means some people do something you don't like and it causes negative affects. Such is life. |
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NYC_Gal
Joined: 08 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I'll listen to people who complain about how 'smoke is deadly' provided that they do not use electricity from sources that cause pollution. Or drive a car. Or purchase products which produce pollution. Otherwise their health argument is just a fraud.
Yes, part of living in society means some people do something you don't like and it causes negative affects. Such is life. |
I don't drive. I try to keep as small a carbon footprint as possible. I do use computers, but otherwise, am pretty earth friendly. At home, my electricity was from a green provider. ConEd delivered it, but a company called GoGreen produced it. It cost more, but I didn't use very much to begin with. I paid for my energy to be produced from renewable sources. I rode my bike around the city, skated, or used the subway when the weather was crappy.
I composted back home too. Some of the anti-smokers do practice what they preach. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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SO stop being a bloddy victom, making ludicorus comparisons and think you are being unfailry argued against. Make some sensical argumenst against my commenst and MAYBE someone will take you seriously. |
Oh the delicious irony. Dave's made my day. |
Yeah hilarious, me actually venting about an issue of health him about one of convenience.
Never said my argument was iron clas, but making nonsensical comparisons is not contributing to the discussion, |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I'll listen to people who complain about how 'smoke is deadly' provided that they do not use electricity from sources that cause pollution. Or drive a car. Or purchase products which produce pollution. Otherwise their health argument is just a fraud.
Yes, part of living in society means some people do something you don't like and it causes negative affects. Such is life. |
SO shall I go to neverneverland with peter pan?
ther is NOT ONE source of energy that does not produce pollution, there are many that are better for the environment, but there is not a single energy source that is not in someway negative altering to the environment.
SMoking is a personal choice for recreation, and is arguably even abhored by many of the people who particpate in it, but can not quit.
This is a far cry from things that society has deemed we "need" even if we don't in the face of advancing technology. You can make an argument that society needs transprttaion devices, communication devices etc to evolve, you DO NOT need a smoke to evolve.
SO my health argument is NOT a Fraud.
Hell I could live on a farm in the 1600s BEFORE all this technological radiation and what not was ever even concieved of, and I would still be exposed to things on a farm that would kill me. The amount of Cow methane alone would likely should I live long enough to not get wiped out by fever or other trivial concerns of today.
So as you(or someone else has said) I can not live in a bubble, and even moving to an AMish community wouldnt do that much when the planet on the whole is polluted.
UNless humanity wants to creep into the dark ages and stop using tehnology we are stuck with it.
BUt perhaps our planet would be a little better if we all actually cared to ensure that we reduced the amount of pollution that we put into the atmosphere, and if we actually said, hell we can't do much about technology but we can do our best to make recreations stupidity like smoking as hard as possible, and refuse to allow others to do it at all where other may be.
You are dead out wrong to say I can not complain about smoking affecting my health just because I am not boycotting other things that do as well. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I'll listen to people who complain about how 'smoke is deadly' provided that they do not use electricity from sources that cause pollution. Or drive a car. Or purchase products which produce pollution. Otherwise their health argument is just a fraud.
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How did you get the right to decide what is and what isn't a fraud? FYI I am allergic to cigarette smoke. FACT.
I am not (noticeably) allergic to pollution (at least the levels of it to which I am exposed). FACT.
So yeah, it's an issue of health with me. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
I'll listen to people who complain about how 'smoke is deadly' provided that they do not use electricity from sources that cause pollution. Or drive a car. Or purchase products which produce pollution. Otherwise their health argument is just a fraud.
Yes, part of living in society means some people do something you don't like and it causes negative affects. Such is life. |
I don't drive. I try to keep as small a carbon footprint as possible. I do use computers, but otherwise, am pretty earth friendly. At home, my electricity was from a green provider. ConEd delivered it, but a company called GoGreen produced it. It cost more, but I didn't use very much to begin with. I paid for my energy to be produced from renewable sources. I rode my bike around the city, skated, or used the subway when the weather was crappy.
I composted back home too. Some of the anti-smokers do practice what they preach. |
This is pretty much me too. I paid a bit extra for clean power, I kept my waste production to a minimum, I prefer public transportation to driving and walking to public transportation. My environmental impact is pretty much as small as is reasonably possible. I don't throw loud parties. I don't light toxic fires in public. I don't own a pet.
I really don't see how much more I can do, honestly. I guess I could abandon city life entirely and live in the forest, but my subsistance fires would probably result in more pollution than my current lifestyle produces. Nothing I do in public causes anyone harm or annoyance. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
I'll listen to people who complain about how 'smoke is deadly' provided that they do not use electricity from sources that cause pollution. Or drive a car. Or purchase products which produce pollution. Otherwise their health argument is just a fraud.
Yes, part of living in society means some people do something you don't like and it causes negative affects. Such is life. |
I don't drive. I try to keep as small a carbon footprint as possible. I do use computers, but otherwise, am pretty earth friendly. At home, my electricity was from a green provider. ConEd delivered it, but a company called GoGreen produced it. It cost more, but I didn't use very much to begin with. I paid for my energy to be produced from renewable sources. I rode my bike around the city, skated, or used the subway when the weather was crappy.
I composted back home too. Some of the anti-smokers do practice what they preach. |
This is pretty much me too. I paid a bit extra for clean power, I kept my waste production to a minimum, I prefer public transportation to driving and walking to public transportation. My environmental impact is pretty much as small as is reasonably possible. I don't throw loud parties. I don't light toxic fires in public. I don't own a pet.
I really don't see how much more I can do, honestly. I guess I could abandon city life entirely and live in the forest, but my subsistance fires would probably result in more pollution than my current lifestyle produces. Nothing I do in public causes anyone harm or annoyance. |
I'm not siding with the smokers, but that's insane. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
I'll listen to people who complain about how 'smoke is deadly' provided that they do not use electricity from sources that cause pollution. Or drive a car. Or purchase products which produce pollution. Otherwise their health argument is just a fraud.
Yes, part of living in society means some people do something you don't like and it causes negative affects. Such is life. |
I don't drive. I try to keep as small a carbon footprint as possible. I do use computers, but otherwise, am pretty earth friendly. At home, my electricity was from a green provider. ConEd delivered it, but a company called GoGreen produced it. It cost more, but I didn't use very much to begin with. I paid for my energy to be produced from renewable sources. I rode my bike around the city, skated, or used the subway when the weather was crappy.
I composted back home too. Some of the anti-smokers do practice what they preach. |
This is pretty much me too. I paid a bit extra for clean power, I kept my waste production to a minimum, I prefer public transportation to driving and walking to public transportation. My environmental impact is pretty much as small as is reasonably possible. I don't throw loud parties. I don't light toxic fires in public. I don't own a pet.
I really don't see how much more I can do, honestly. I guess I could abandon city life entirely and live in the forest, but my subsistance fires would probably result in more pollution than my current lifestyle produces. Nothing I do in public causes anyone harm or annoyance. |
I'm not siding with the smokers, but that's insane. |
Not owning a pet is insane? Why? |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Bramble wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
I'll listen to people who complain about how 'smoke is deadly' provided that they do not use electricity from sources that cause pollution. Or drive a car. Or purchase products which produce pollution. Otherwise their health argument is just a fraud.
Yes, part of living in society means some people do something you don't like and it causes negative affects. Such is life. |
I don't drive. I try to keep as small a carbon footprint as possible. I do use computers, but otherwise, am pretty earth friendly. At home, my electricity was from a green provider. ConEd delivered it, but a company called GoGreen produced it. It cost more, but I didn't use very much to begin with. I paid for my energy to be produced from renewable sources. I rode my bike around the city, skated, or used the subway when the weather was crappy.
I composted back home too. Some of the anti-smokers do practice what they preach. |
This is pretty much me too. I paid a bit extra for clean power, I kept my waste production to a minimum, I prefer public transportation to driving and walking to public transportation. My environmental impact is pretty much as small as is reasonably possible. I don't throw loud parties. I don't light toxic fires in public. I don't own a pet.
I really don't see how much more I can do, honestly. I guess I could abandon city life entirely and live in the forest, but my subsistance fires would probably result in more pollution than my current lifestyle produces. Nothing I do in public causes anyone harm or annoyance. |
I'm not siding with the smokers, but that's insane. |
Not owning a pet is insane? Why? |
No. Suggesting that rescuing a homeless animal and using resources to keep her alive is immoral is what's insane. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:02 am Post subject: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Bramble wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
I'll listen to people who complain about how 'smoke is deadly' provided that they do not use electricity from sources that cause pollution. Or drive a car. Or purchase products which produce pollution. Otherwise their health argument is just a fraud.
Yes, part of living in society means some people do something you don't like and it causes negative affects. Such is life. |
I don't drive. I try to keep as small a carbon footprint as possible. I do use computers, but otherwise, am pretty earth friendly. At home, my electricity was from a green provider. ConEd delivered it, but a company called GoGreen produced it. It cost more, but I didn't use very much to begin with. I paid for my energy to be produced from renewable sources. I rode my bike around the city, skated, or used the subway when the weather was crappy.
I composted back home too. Some of the anti-smokers do practice what they preach. |
This is pretty much me too. I paid a bit extra for clean power, I kept my waste production to a minimum, I prefer public transportation to driving and walking to public transportation. My environmental impact is pretty much as small as is reasonably possible. I don't throw loud parties. I don't light toxic fires in public. I don't own a pet.
I really don't see how much more I can do, honestly. I guess I could abandon city life entirely and live in the forest, but my subsistance fires would probably result in more pollution than my current lifestyle produces. Nothing I do in public causes anyone harm or annoyance. |
I'm not siding with the smokers, but that's insane. |
Not owning a pet is insane? Why? |
No. Suggesting that rescuing a homeless animal and using resources to keep her alive is immoral is what's insane. |
I suggested nothing of the sort. Stop being stupid. |
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jmuns
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
Location: earth
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| from smoking to carbon footprints. so everyone who has a small footprint from using green energy. that is the least of your worries. do you drink coffee? where does it come from? do you only buy organics? local products? local produce? buy things that come in plastic bottles? what kind of plastic? do you eat meat? how was it raised? where was it raised? where was its' food produced? how did it get to you? no one has a small footprint. oh and did you take a boat here to save on energy and emissions from the use of airplanes as well? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:19 am Post subject: |
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| no one has a small footprint. |
"Small footprint" is a relative term. What constitutes a "small footprint" is based on how large other people's are, not based upon any objective standard. Can we just stop the silliness and admit that plenty of people who take enough reasonable steps to limit their lifestyle's impacts on others that we aren't being hypocritical to complain about smoking? Or are we going to keep pretending that unless you're some sort of mountain hermit that subsists on enlightenment you can never, ever take issue with people lighting tiny toxic fires in public places?
If I don't do things to harm or annoy others in public, there's nothing hypocritical with me taking issue with other people smoking in public. Nothing. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Bramble wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Bramble wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| NYC_Gal wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
I'll listen to people who complain about how 'smoke is deadly' provided that they do not use electricity from sources that cause pollution. Or drive a car. Or purchase products which produce pollution. Otherwise their health argument is just a fraud.
Yes, part of living in society means some people do something you don't like and it causes negative affects. Such is life. |
I don't drive. I try to keep as small a carbon footprint as possible. I do use computers, but otherwise, am pretty earth friendly. At home, my electricity was from a green provider. ConEd delivered it, but a company called GoGreen produced it. It cost more, but I didn't use very much to begin with. I paid for my energy to be produced from renewable sources. I rode my bike around the city, skated, or used the subway when the weather was crappy.
I composted back home too. Some of the anti-smokers do practice what they preach. |
This is pretty much me too. I paid a bit extra for clean power, I kept my waste production to a minimum, I prefer public transportation to driving and walking to public transportation. My environmental impact is pretty much as small as is reasonably possible. I don't throw loud parties. I don't light toxic fires in public. I don't own a pet.
I really don't see how much more I can do, honestly. I guess I could abandon city life entirely and live in the forest, but my subsistance fires would probably result in more pollution than my current lifestyle produces. Nothing I do in public causes anyone harm or annoyance. |
I'm not siding with the smokers, but that's insane. |
Not owning a pet is insane? Why? |
No. Suggesting that rescuing a homeless animal and using resources to keep her alive is immoral is what's insane. |
I suggested nothing of the sort. Stop being stupid. |
Yes, you clearly did. You're the one who made the stupid comparison between pets and all those other things by mentioning them in the same paragraph. |
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Seoulio
Joined: 02 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 2:00 am Post subject: |
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Bramble he brought it up because machinoman brought up the simlariteos to dogs and smoking.
He in no way meant it as you are suggesting, he has told you this, this is beside the point so piss off about it please.
This thread has goten off tracj enough without you suggesting that he meant something he in no way meant.
Perhaps you havent read the whole thread, I'd suggest you to that and stop your ignorant attack on him. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
I'll listen to people who complain about how 'smoke is deadly' provided that they do not use electricity from sources that cause pollution. Or drive a car. Or purchase products which produce pollution. Otherwise their health argument is just a fraud.
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How did you get the right to decide what is and what isn't a fraud? FYI I am allergic to cigarette smoke. FACT.
I am not (noticeably) allergic to pollution (at least the levels of it to which I am exposed). FACT.
So yeah, it's an issue of health with me. |
Hold on, you mean Steelrails has once again tried to shoe horn people into a catagory on this topic while totally missing the point???
say it aint so. |
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