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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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I'd say the same to your face, tis got nothing to do with this forum.
Driving on the sidewalk is a menace to pedestrians, regardless of your ethnicity.
shifter2009, you are right, people can also bump into other people on the sidewalk. Which do you think is safer, bumping into the average pedestrian, or a moving motor vehicle? |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
I'd say the same to your face, tis got nothing to do with this forum.
Driving on the sidewalk is a menace to pedestrians, regardless of your ethnicity.
shifter2009, you are right, people can also bump into other people on the sidewalk. Which do you think is safer, bumping into the average pedestrian, or a moving motor vehicle? |
The guy wasn't cruising down miles of side walk, he pulled up off a bike path to park his scooter. So long as he wasn't be reckless I'd do like the Koreans and mind my business. My point was more that people on this board will get moral indignant over just about anything. |
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methdxman
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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@methdxman YES. i agree 100% i've been in asia for 4 years now and have never seen or heard anyone get hit by a scooter on the sidewalk. |
Delivery guys on scooters are not allowed to enter our campus because of an accident where a student got serious injuries after being hit by a delivery scooter. From our campus layout, it is 99% sure that this happened on a sidewalk/walking path. Now you have heard about it. |
So just because it happened once it means it's going to happen a lot.
Yeah, that's it. |
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methdxman
Joined: 14 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| methdxman wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| machoman wrote: |
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| northway wrote: |
| So it's morally wrong to ride your scooter on a sidewalk? |
yes. it is also morally wrong to throw a brick blindly into a crowd of people, or to break a bottle in a children's playground. it is careless and shortsighted.
if somebody did this to me i would not get smarmy though, I would throw a rock at them. a scooter is not a bicycle. |
you would throw a rock at someone who is riding a scooter on the sidewalk? seriously? wow.
and you're comparing riding a scooter on a sidewalk to throwing a brick into a crowd of people? double wow. |
Hmmm... let's see.
How much does a brick weigh? How much does your bike weigh?
How fast does the average brick travel when thrown? How fast does your bike go?
How much injury can one brick do when thrown? How much injury can your bike do?
It's, at a minimum, comparable.
I'm not saying people should resort to violence, but driving on the sidewalk is a risk. And you deserve to be called on it. |
Oh man, if you guys are scared by scooters on the sidewalk, I can't even imagine what else you must be scared of. It's a non-risk. Period.
You're just not used to it. Get used to it. |
You have no idea what you are talking about. If you think that driving a scooter in SK (and on sidewalks) is safe simply because you haven't seen any accident, you need to go back to school.
Why not look at pedestrian fatalities stats here? Why not watch the Korea news and see how many times people are involved in scooter accidents?
Also, I'm willing to bet that you are not a parent - am I right? Because most parents will tell you they do not want motor vehicles driving alongside their kids that are learning to walk (on a sidewalk).
Sidewalks are for pedestrian use only - and you know that.
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All right tough guy. How about just minding your own business on the street?. This isn't your country. It isn't mine either. But the rules are different here. |
No, they are not You are not allowed to drive your motorvechicle on the sidwalk here. It is against the law. Learn the law if you're going to drive somewhere.
As for minding my business, as soon as you put me in risk, it becomes my business. |
Yes, because watching the news is representative of reality, right? They're not trying to sell commercials or anything like that of course...
No, I'm not a parent, but I'm not going to turn him into a little pansy that is gonna cry and bitch at things like second hand smoke and ruin the fun for everyone else. Not trying to demonize you, but people who think in the same way you do are turning our society into a sissy-ass one. In the States you can't even drink a beer outside of a bar or have a beer in a bottle at a game, or do ANYTHING anymore because EVERYTHING is banned because a few bad apples.
You cannot do ANYTHING anymore anywhere because of people who complain about stuff.
Dude, a lot of things are against the law. J-walking is against the law and I'm sure you've done it. As long as the guy on the scooter is doing it in a safe way, cut him a break. If he's going 50 km on the pavement you have every right to tell him to slow his ass down.
But the OP wasn't doing anything of the sort and just got confronted by some p***** ass old man who deserved to get told to STFU.
Anything is a hazard if you do it in a dangerous way. Doesn't mean you should confront every guy on a scooter on the sidewalk. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| methdxman wrote: |
| UknowsI wrote: |
| machoman wrote: |
@methdxman YES. i agree 100% i've been in asia for 4 years now and have never seen or heard anyone get hit by a scooter on the sidewalk. |
Delivery guys on scooters are not allowed to enter our campus because of an accident where a student got serious injuries after being hit by a delivery scooter. From our campus layout, it is 99% sure that this happened on a sidewalk/walking path. Now you have heard about it. |
So just because it happened once it means it's going to happen a lot.
Yeah, that's it. |
I've seen it three times. And no 3 times is not a lot but that wasn't the argument to begin with. You've said you've never seen or heard it. |
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madtownhustl
Joined: 04 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| i think its annoying as hell when people whiz by me on scooters on the sidewalks. BUT if I HAD a scooter, I'd be taking sidewalks all the time! |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| machinoman wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| So it's morally wrong to ride your scooter on a sidewalk? |
yes. it is also morally wrong to throw a brick blindly into a crowd of people, or to break a bottle in a children's playground. it is careless and shortsighted.
if somebody did this to me i would not get smarmy though, I would throw a rock at them. a scooter is not a bicycle. |
Is it morally wrong to drive one's car over the speed limit? |
It may not be morally wrong to ride your scooter on the sidewalk but it is legally wrong.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/09/117_31645.html |
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swashbuckler
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| machinoman wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| So it's morally wrong to ride your scooter on a sidewalk? |
yes. it is also morally wrong to throw a brick blindly into a crowd of people, or to break a bottle in a children's playground. it is careless and shortsighted.
if somebody did this to me i would not get smarmy though, I would throw a rock at them. a scooter is not a bicycle. |
Is it morally wrong to drive one's car over the speed limit? |
It may not be morally wrong to ride your scooter on the sidewalk but it is legally wrong.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/09/117_31645.html |
just curious, how the hell do you suddenly find all these random news articles that you use to address arguments?? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| swashbuckler wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| machinoman wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| So it's morally wrong to ride your scooter on a sidewalk? |
yes. it is also morally wrong to throw a brick blindly into a crowd of people, or to break a bottle in a children's playground. it is careless and shortsighted.
if somebody did this to me i would not get smarmy though, I would throw a rock at them. a scooter is not a bicycle. |
Is it morally wrong to drive one's car over the speed limit? |
It may not be morally wrong to ride your scooter on the sidewalk but it is legally wrong.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/09/117_31645.html |
just curious, how the hell do you suddenly find all these random news articles that you use to address arguments?? |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO_ey4v1ccA
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Methdxman, do you seriously expect to have a reasonable discussion with quotes like this?
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| You cannot do ANYTHING anymore anywhere because of people who complain about stuff |
Come on man. There are reasons for many of those rules you are complaining about. You may not care about smoking, but as someone who recently lost a family member to lung cancer, I'm very aware of it.
As well, you may not care about motorcycles on the sidewalk, but what about if your grandmother was hit by one? Your child? Would you be so cold as to tell them that they should have jumped out of the way because people have the right to drive there?
Let's keep something in mind... You don't have the right to drive here. You don't have the right to drive in most countries... It is a privilege...and one that comes with following laws. |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
Methdxman, do you seriously expect to have a reasonable discussion with quotes like this?
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| You cannot do ANYTHING anymore anywhere because of people who complain about stuff |
Come on man. There are reasons for many of those rules you are complaining about. You may not care about smoking, but as someone who recently lost a family member to lung cancer, I'm very aware of it.
As well, you may not care about motorcycles on the sidewalk, but what about if your grandmother was hit by one? Your child? Would you be so cold as to tell them that they should have jumped out of the way because people have the right to drive there?
Let's keep something in mind... You don't have the right to drive here. You don't have the right to drive in most countries... It is a privilege...and one that comes with following laws. |
People have to die of something, you can't bubble wrap the world. There has to be a balance. I agree with banning driving on the sidewalks with scooters because people abuse it such as those delivery. However, the OP was driving like 50 meters to park, hardly an egregious offense. But I suppose you can't have wiggle room with the super hero know as Captain Corea. I bet in Dungeons and Dragons all your characters were lawful good. |
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machoman
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| shifter2009 wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
Methdxman, do you seriously expect to have a reasonable discussion with quotes like this?
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| You cannot do ANYTHING anymore anywhere because of people who complain about stuff |
Come on man. There are reasons for many of those rules you are complaining about. You may not care about smoking, but as someone who recently lost a family member to lung cancer, I'm very aware of it.
As well, you may not care about motorcycles on the sidewalk, but what about if your grandmother was hit by one? Your child? Would you be so cold as to tell them that they should have jumped out of the way because people have the right to drive there?
Let's keep something in mind... You don't have the right to drive here. You don't have the right to drive in most countries... It is a privilege...and one that comes with following laws. |
People have to die of something, you can't bubble wrap the world. There has to be a balance. I agree with banning driving on the sidewalks with scooters because people abuse it such as those delivery. However, the OP was driving like 50 meters to park, hardly an egregious offense. But I suppose you can't have wiggle room with the super hero know as Captain Corea. I bet in Dungeons and Dragons all your characters were lawful good. |
yeah, riding my scooter on the sidewalk to park at emart is comparable to throwing a brick randomly into a crowd of people apparently. and btw, it wasn't even 50 meters. more like 10.
i also park my bike on sidewalks whenever i go to itaewon and gangnam when it's fricking packed with people. no one's ever said a word to me, but there are plenty of people on here who would claim they would say it to my face or throw rocks at me. seriously...
no, no they wouldn't.
my grandfather died of lung cancer. i'm not against smoking, i smoke myself. if my grandmother got hit by a scooter on the sidewalk, i would think it was a freak accident and the rider was probably careless, but i wouldn't blame it on riding on sidewalks. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:15 am Post subject: |
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People have to die of something, you can't bubble wrap the world. There has to be a balance. I agree with banning driving on the sidewalks with scooters because people abuse it such as those delivery. However, the OP was driving like 50 meters to park, hardly an egregious offense. But I suppose you can't have wiggle room with the super hero know as Captain Corea. I bet in Dungeons and Dragons all your characters were lawful good. |
Should I now try to think of some personal snipe for you, or just tell ya to *beep* off?
Why the need to make [Mod Edit] up like that? The first part of your post struck me as an actual discussion on the subject, the second part tells me you want to make this personal. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| my grandfather died of lung cancer. i'm not against smoking, i smoke myself. if my grandmother got hit by a scooter on the sidewalk, i would think it was a freak accident and the rider was probably careless, but i wouldn't blame it on riding on sidewalks. |
So your grandfather dying of a disease caused by smoking wasn't enough of a lesson for you? I now find it little wonder that you seem to have an inability to understand why people may not want you driving your motor vehicle on the sidewalk.
You can do what you like to yourself and your own body, but I'm happy there are laws keeping you, and your habits, away from me. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
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| my grandfather died of lung cancer. i'm not against smoking, i smoke myself. if my grandmother got hit by a scooter on the sidewalk, i would think it was a freak accident and the rider was probably careless, but i wouldn't blame it on riding on sidewalks. |
So your grandfather dying of a disease caused by smoking wasn't enough of a lesson for you? I now find it little wonder that you seem to have an inability to understand why people may not want you driving your motor vehicle on the sidewalk.
You can do what you like to yourself and your own body, but I'm happy there are laws keeping you, and your habits, away from me. |
Most people kill themselves, slowly but surely. Do you eat a raw diet and get a minimum of thirty minutes of cardio every day? |
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