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earthquakez
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| Isn't it ironic that it's mostly 'liberals' in Seoul, and Gyeonggi, are the ones booting NET's out, and the 'conservatives' in the provinces that are mostly keeping things status quo with NET's. Better hope the conservatives sweep into power in the next elections. |
Domestic politics of any side (conservatives or liberals) wouldn't improve the public education of Korean. The municipal and regional education boards are managed horribly by middle-age idiots who don't grasp the reality.
South Korea would be the very first Asian country to bring collapse of its own public education system. |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Two quick points
1. You are not considered teachers. When the Koreans speak about you they use the term "wonomin" which translates as native speaker. They only use the term "songsimnim" to describe you when you are in ear shot. "Songsimnim" is an honourable title which backpackers with nothing more than business or psychology degrees haven't earned.
2. Applicants who want to renew and renew their contracts in PS have shown a woeful lack of ambition, vision and work ethic. It's hard to feel any sympathy for them. |
Regardless of those Koreans who like to belittle foreigners who work as English teachers in the school system, those foreigners who have good to great work histories teaching English in other countries should let the disparaging 'wonomin' roll off their backs.
And the foreign holder of that degree is likely to have worked far harder for it than many of the Koreans who see enrolling in university as an end in itself. Such are the basic educational 'values' of Korean society, all about heirarchy and image rather than ability and substance.
Please go on with your condemnation of native English teachers - we're all waiting to hear if you can come up with something new because so far we've heard what sounds like a resentful Korean English teacher talking, you know, the kind who teaches their students that "Every Jack has his Jill" is important English.  |
I actually don't want to start condemning anyone but neither should I start praising those who deserve none.
I have been in Korea a while and I know what the score is. Native speakers or "wonamins" aren't somehow sinister or evil characters and a few are actually good people.
A more balanced view has me come to the conclusion that an apt description of them is bums. Nothing more, nothing less. They are bums. Most of them are proud of being bums. They brag about long vacation and short work days as they down beer and tell tall stories. They have no idea where they are going in life and no ambition.
If that's what they want then fine. There is certainly nothing wrong with having an easy lifestyle and enjoying yourself. However you should recognize yourself as a bum. And you what you shouldn't do is criticize hard working Korean teachers busting their asses. That's what I object to.
I came to this conclusion after many discussions with them, seeing idiotic shoutouts and photographs on facebook. In fact I have many sources.
So you can call them backbackers or you can call them bums. I would call the younger ones that stay for a year then get a career types backpackers. I would call the more long term guy a bum.
That's my conclusion and I think 90 percent fit into one of these categories - backpacker or plain bum. |
So which one are you? |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:35 am Post subject: |
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[quote="NohopeSeriously"]
| jvalmer wrote: |
| The municipal and regional education boards are managed horribly by middle-age idiots who don't grasp the reality. |
I've never seen a relationship between idiocy and age (and question the relationship between old age and wisdom which Confucians so cherish) so the fact they're middle aged doesn't add any relevance to your argument. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Good news is the USA is beginning to show a turnaround. A year from now, Korea will have teacher shortages again. Let us all remember. Payback will be sweet when we control the market again! Yessirree!!!! |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Good news is the USA is beginning to show a turnaround. A year from now, Korea will have teacher shortages again. Let us all remember. Payback will be sweet when we control the market again! Yessirree!!!! |
prospect of a Mc Job or Walmart Greeter excites you? |
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creeper1
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Good news is the USA is beginning to show a turnaround. A year from now, Korea will have teacher shortages again. Let us all remember. Payback will be sweet when we control the market again! Yessirree!!!! |
Well go back home you winner you!
Seriously the US will not produce jobs at a fast enough rate to make any difference. Demographics and incredible debt mean no jobs for a long, long time for new grads which make up the bulk of the backpacker teachers that come to korea.
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creeper1
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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Asylum seeker I belong to the 10% that are actually doing a good job. Here are a few of my characteristics.
1. Extensive experience
2. Innovative
3. Motivated
4. Results-oriented
5. Dynamic
6. Proven track record
7. Team player
8. Fast-paced
9. Problem solver |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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Everybody generalises, it's part of human nature and it also is helpful in a number of situations where it can be backed up.
But pulling a figure out of the air like '10 percent' of good foreign teachers to justify attacking foreign English teachers in Korea as 90 percent 'bums' or whatever you like to say is plain ridiculous and the kind of shallow justification that we hear regularly from racist journalists and politicians in Korea. Wild exaggerations such as you use simply reflect badly on you.
And let me remind you of a time-proven proverb: Self praise is no recommendation. Your list of wonderful qualities that you see in yourself is different from others here relating their strengths as teachers or going into detail about why they feel the way they do about themselves and their roles.
'Dynamic' etc? Your constant harping on about nearly every foreign teacher being a 'bum' except for the magic 10 percent you belong to makes you sound as dynamic as stale beer. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Bums are people who stay at home in a crappy job market living on social assistance or off mommy and daddy. A bum doesn't travel to Korea and face hit or miss situations, culture shock and the comforts they were used to in their home countries. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| creeper1 wrote: |
Asylum seeker I belong to the 10% that are actually doing a good job. Here are a few of my characteristics.
1. Extensive experience
2. Innovative
3. Motivated
4. Results-oriented
5. Dynamic
6. Proven track record
7. Team player
8. Fast-paced
9. Problem solver |
A person working in accounting could have all those characteristics and still not be a good teacher. In fact, a person with all those characteristics can easily be unemployed.
A person who likes to enjoy themselves in the country they live in also doesn't mean they are bums. If a person likes to go boozing on any given day, develop a network of friends and not SAVE SAVE SAVE or get a Master's doesn't make them a bum either. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Asylum seeker I belong to the 10% that are actually doing a good job. Here are a few of my characteristics.
1. Extensive experience I know many teachers who are experienced yet terrible. They just bounce from job to job...not impressed.
2. Innovative What have you innovated?
3. Motivated Well when compared to the 90% of bums according to you...motivated means pretty much having a heart beat. Not impressed.
4. Results-oriented Generic.
5. Dynamic I'd have to see you teach before I believed you on that.
6. Proven track record Listing 8 other points about yourself is not proven in my book.
7. Team player I'd take the word of your references over your own about this point.
8. Fast-paced Slow and steady usually wins the race in the ESL industry. How do your struggling students succeed if you're going so fast?
9. Problem solver Why do you have so many problem that need solving? |
If I am interviewing someone and they throw a laundry list of traits at me, I would probably laugh, end the interview and never call you back. Your "extensive" list of generic traits you probably copied and pasted off of a Yahoo.answers thread about how to answer the "3 words to describe yourself" question is amusing. Thanks for laughs Creeper. |
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kengreen
Joined: 19 Jan 2011
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| Kimchieluver wrote: |
| Bums are people who stay at home in a crappy job market living on social assistance or off mommy and daddy. A bum doesn't travel to Korea and face hit or miss situations, culture shock and the comforts they were used to in their home countries. |
That's exactly how I feel.
I'm a loser because I didn't want to sit home and be broke? |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Asylum seeker I belong to the 10% that are actually doing a good job. Here are a few of my characteristics.
1. Extensive experience
2. Innovative
3. Motivated
4. Results-oriented
5. Dynamic
6. Proven track record
7. Team player
8. Fast-paced
9. Problem solver |
You sound like a salesperson rather than a teacher. |
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Vagabundo
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| creeper1 wrote: |
Asylum seeker I belong to the 10% that are actually doing a good job. Here are a few of my characteristics.
1. Extensive experience
2. Innovative
3. Motivated
4. Results-oriented
5. Dynamic
6. Proven track record
7. Team player
8. Fast-paced
9. Problem solver |
all overly used and overhyped corporate kiss butt words to be used in the interview process. I bet you list those on your resume 
(this in no means challenges the veracity of your claims, simply your verbiage) |
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