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Madigan
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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 Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Al Jazeera's got the latest in video and blogs from Egypt. Watched a bit this morning and it was something else to see commoners on the street armed with nothing less than sticks and stones beat back fully armed police and soldiers in tanks. Things are getting crazy over there.
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
Pardon the cynicism, but I don't think even a speech from Obama can quell this riot. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:36 am Post subject: |
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It is captivating stuff. I'm so happy I don't have to work today and can watch Egyptian police vehicles getting torched and the NDP building on fire.
If Mubarak comes on TV and gives a speech, he's a moron. No Egyptian cares what he says. The best result is people will shrug their shoulders; the worst is he'll just inspire more rioting and protests. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/28/clashes-erupt-in-cairo-elbaradei-told-to-stay-put-cnn-camera-confiscated/?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
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President Mubarak's announcement that he was going to dissolve the government Saturday did not sit well with some protesters.
"Mubarak just blamed the government. We will continue our demonstrations until we get our full demands. We want him to leave. His time is over," said Ahmed, a 19-year-old law student demonstrator in Central Alexandria's Raml Square.
"We are one of the richest Arab countries and we want to live. Let a new government form but if we don't get what we ask for, we will go back to the streets again and again," said Mohammed, a 20- year-old student. |
I don't think that will be sufficient. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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Biden: Mubarak is not a dicatator
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Look, Mubarak has been an ally of ours in a number of things and he's been very responsible on, relative to geopolitical interests in the region: Middle East peace efforts, the actions Egypt has taken relative to normalizing the relationship with Israel.
And I think that it would be -- I would not refer to him as a dictator.
We're encouraging the protesters to, as they assemble, do it peacefully. And we're encouraging the government to act responsibly and to try to engage in a discussion as to what the legitimate claims being made are, if they are, and try to work them out. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Fascinating and inspiring stuff.
A new vice president and prime minister have been appointed but they seem to be old faces, so al-Jazeera is reporting the appointments are not being welcomed by the protesters.
The good news out of this is that the Islamists don't seem to be leading it, either in Tunisia or Egypt. At this point, it looks like the 'fever' is coming from the moderates. As I type, al-Jazeera has on someone from the Moslem Brotherhood saying they don't 'aspire to leadership'. Hope it's true and remains true. A radical Egypt would be a problem.
It will be interesting to see if the gov't turns the internet back on on Monday. As someone mentioned, the internet is vital to banks etc.
Reports of 50--100 fatalities is sad news.
Pamela Gellar is calling for stronger support for Mubarak (of course). I think she's wrong. So far, Obama is playing things just right, like he did with Iran a couple of years ago. Marc Lynch at Foreign Policy says the same.
One of the Tweets being reported is that this is the Arab world's Berlin Wall moment. Hope it's true. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:41 am Post subject: |
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'Anxious' Israel Backs Egypt Regime
I'm impressed by Israel; it is becoming like we have historically been: very short-sighted. Oh well!
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Israel has called on the United States and Europe to curb their criticism of president Hosni Mubarak "in a bid to preserve stability in Egypt" and the wider Middle East, an Israeli newspaper reports.
The Israeli daily Haaretz reported on Monday that the foreign ministry, in an urgent special cable, instructed its ambassadors to key countries, to "stress ... the importance of Egypt's stability". |
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Madigan
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:47 am Post subject: |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/31/world/middleeast/31-egypt.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&hp
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�We�re supporting ElBaradei to lead the path to change,� Mr. Beltagui said as he joined him in Liberation Square. �The Brotherhood realizes the sensitivities, especially in the West, towards the Islamists, and we�re not keen to be at the forefront.�
�We�re trying to build a democratic arena before we start playing in it,� he said. |
So El Baradei is gonna be the face of the opposition, but the Brotherhood is waiting right behind him.
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Even in Liberation Square, the crowd�s reaction to Dr. ElBaradei was mixed � some were sympathetic but many more were reserved in their support for a man who has spent much time abroad.
One Brotherhood supporter, Mohammed Fayed, an engineer, said that even if Dr. ElBaradei could replace Mr. Mubarak, he should stay no longer than a year: �ElBaradei doesn�t live here and doesn�t know us. We need a leader who can understand Egyptians.� |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:55 am Post subject: |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/31/world/middleeast/31-egypt.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&hp
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�We�re supporting ElBaradei to lead the path to change,� Mr. Beltagui said as he joined him in Liberation Square. �The Brotherhood realizes the sensitivities, especially in the West, towards the Islamists, and we�re not keen to be at the forefront.�
�We�re trying to build a democratic arena before we start playing in it,� he said. |
So El Baradei is gonna be the face of the opposition, but the Brotherhood is waiting right behind him.
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Even in Liberation Square, the crowd�s reaction to Dr. ElBaradei was mixed � some were sympathetic but many more were reserved in their support for a man who has spent much time abroad.
One Brotherhood supporter, Mohammed Fayed, an engineer, said that even if Dr. ElBaradei could replace Mr. Mubarak, he should stay no longer than a year: �ElBaradei doesn�t live here and doesn�t know us. We need a leader who can understand Egyptians.� |
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There have been some signs of disagreement within the opposition, with the largest group, the Muslim Brotherhood, appearing to go back on its endorsement of leading figure Mohamed ElBaradei as a negotiator with Mr Mubarak.
A spokesman for the Muslim Brotherhood, Mohamed Morsy, told the BBC: "The people have not appointed Mohamed ElBaradei to become a spokesman of them.
"The Muslim Brotherhood is much stronger than Mohamed ElBaradei as a person. And we do not agree on he himself to become representing [sic] this movement, the movement is represented by itself, and it will come up with a committee... to make delegations with any government." |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| ^I wonder how long it'll be before this shakes out. |
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Madigan
Joined: 15 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| The Muslim Brotherhood seems to want to advance its agenda in a peaceful Democratic sphere. That is a positive development. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| Madigan wrote: |
| The Muslim Brotherhood seems to want to advance its agenda in a peaceful Democratic sphere. That is a positive development. |
The veneer of democracy will grease the skids.
Also:
http://tinyurl.com/49lwoj3
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One group fended off a band of robbers who tried to break in and steal antiquities from the warehouse of the famed Karnak Temple on the east bank of the Nile in the ancient southern city of Luxor.
The locals clashed with the attackers who arrived at the temple carrying guns and knives in two cars around 3 a.m, and arrested five of them, said neighborhood protection committee member Ezz el-Shafei.
The locals handed the five men to the army, which has posted a handful of soldiers at the vast temple's entrance.
In Cairo, soldiers detained about 50 men trying to break into the Egyptian National Museum in a fresh attempt to loot some of the country's archaeological treasures, the military said. |
Ancient Egyptian archeological treasures are very cool and need to be protected from scumbags. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:23 am Post subject: |
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A good piece from someone who participated in Friday's day of rage
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| ON Friday, the �day of rage,� I was in the streets with the protesters. Friends and I participated in a peaceful demonstration that started at the Amr Ibn al-As Mosque in Old Cairo near the Church of St. George. We set off chanting, �The people want the regime to fall!� and we were greeted with a torrent of tear gas fired by the police. We began to shout, �Peaceful, Peaceful,� trying to show the police that we were not hostile, we were demanding nothing but our liberty. That only increased their brutality. Fighting began to spread to the side streets in the ancient, largely Coptic neighborhood. |
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Space Bar
Joined: 20 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| In Cairo, soldiers detained about 50 men trying to break into the Egyptian National Museum in a fresh attempt to loot some of the country's archaeological treasures, the military said. |
Ancient Egyptian archeological treasures are very cool and need to be protected from scumbags. |
Of course, you are right, but if the treasures that existed in the cradle of civilization, the Tigris-Euphrates valley in Iraq, can have been destroyed (in that case by the US-led invasion at the beginning of the war), nothing is off-limits. |
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