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NWU backtracks on kinky sex demo
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Students back Bailey

I am a student enrolled in John Bailey's course in human sexuality. I feel as though the opinions of the student body of Northwestern University, especially the students who witnessed the act in question, are not being heard properly.

The student body at this esteemed University is in overwhelming support for our professor. Not one student who witnessed the act, in almost two weeks now, has said anything negative about the experience, expressed regret for witnessing the act, or have denoted any action that they were offended in any way. Students were warned of the graphic nature of the act before it happened, and they had the option to leave at any point in time. The negative media coverage our beloved professor, as well as the university, is receiving is absurd and intolerable.

I hear a lot of opinions of alumni and parents of students, but what about the actual students themselves? They are the only demographic being affected by this situation. The vast majority of students believe this situation is being blown completely out of proportion. We want our voices heard. If no students have raised any questions about the act or shown any remorse for enrolling in the class, why has this act reached the level of a "sex scandal?"

I would love to go on record at any point in time and defend my professor. He is an outstanding lecturer and researcher and does not deserve this negative media when his course description clearly states that controversial topics in sexuality will be raised over the duration of the course. This news should no way have reached the national, and now international, level of concern that it has.

Speaking on behalf of the students of Northwestern, we love our professors, and we love our community here in Evanston. This is absolutely outrageous and we want to be heard defending our professor.

-- Brian Stachnik, Evanston
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
caniff wrote:
catman wrote:
mises wrote:
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The neo-cons blame the liberals.


Neo-conservatives are liberals. They're imperialist liberals. The difference between a neo-con and a liberal isn't foundational. It is a difference in strategy. One is internationalist and the other imperialist.


With regards to the topic at hand they are very different. Neo-cons are overwhelmingly social conservatives.


What do you mean "the topic at hand"?. We're talking about a porno demonstration in a classroom.

Try to stay focused, okay?


catman dude, neo cons don't give a shit about social issues. they're most definitely not socially conservative.


Neo-cons can be a big umbrella. How about just Republicans?

Conservatives/Neo-Cons/Republicans........they are all on the same side in the "culture war".
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

catman wrote:
bucheon bum wrote:
caniff wrote:
catman wrote:
mises wrote:
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The neo-cons blame the liberals.


Neo-conservatives are liberals. They're imperialist liberals. The difference between a neo-con and a liberal isn't foundational. It is a difference in strategy. One is internationalist and the other imperialist.


With regards to the topic at hand they are very different. Neo-cons are overwhelmingly social conservatives.


What do you mean "the topic at hand"?. We're talking about a porno demonstration in a classroom.

Try to stay focused, okay?


catman dude, neo cons don't give a shit about social issues. they're most definitely not socially conservative.


Neo-cons can be a big umbrella. How about just Republicans?

Conservatives/Neo-Cons/Republicans........they are all on the same side in the "culture war".


No, they're not. That's the point. They're on the same side politically because neo-cons don't care about social issues and find common cause in their foreign policy goals with the culturally conservative people (for the most part).
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catman



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You must be really narrowing who you define as neo-con. Would you consider Sarah Palin one?
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mises



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Catman, you do not know what you are talking about.

Neo-cons are have only one concern: Israel. Nothing. Nothing else matters.

Here's a nice bit about Podhoretz.

http://www.counterpunch.org/pettifer1214.html
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In the spring of 1986, Gore Vidal, novelist and chronicler of US history, published an essay in The Nation which became instantly notorious. Called "The Empire Lovers Strike Back," its subject was the relationship of American Jewish neo-conservatives to the state of Israel. He chose as exemplars of the phenomenon, Commentary magazine editor, Norman Podhoretz, and spouse, Midge Decter (mother-in-law of Elliot Abrams of Iran Contra infamy; Abrams, a racial purist who disdains intermarriage, now serves as White House Director of Middle Eastern Affairs). Podhoretz and Decter had once been liberals, but an aggressive Zionism led them to pitch their tent in the Republican Party. Their aim was to use US economic and political heft to advance Israel's interests in the Middle East. The essay was vintage Vidal and it greatly provoked his critics. To ensure that no one took seriously what he had to say--to silence the debate before it started--he was rubbished as the worst kind of anti-Semite.

So, exactly what had Vidal said to earn this most feared of labels? In recent weeks we have heard a good deal about the cynical alliance between fundamentalist Christian Zionists in the US and Jewish settlers (supported by the right-wing Likud party) in the Occupied Territories. Sixteen years ago in a display of considerable prescience, Vidal wrote: "since spades may not be called spades in freedom's land, let me spell it out. In order to get military and economic support for Israel, a small number of American Jews, who should know better, have made common cause with every sort of reactionary and anti-Semitic group in the United States, from the corridors of the Pentagon to the TV studios of the evangelical Jesus ChristersS all in the interest of supporting the likes of Sharon as opposed to the Peace Now Israelis whom they disdain."

Central to Vidal's case was the indifference to US history which he discerned among these Jewish neo-conservatives. When he was writing a play set during the American Civil War, he recalls Norman Podhoretz asking him, "Why are you writing a play about, of all things, the Civil War?" When Vidal explained that this was/is "the great, single tragic event that gives resonance to our Republic" Podhoretz replied, "To me, the Civil War is as remote and irrelevant as the War of the Roses."


Podhorizt is an American. How could an American - and a (if not the) leader of the neo-(so called)-conservative movement not find any meaning in the American civil war?

They do not care one lick about America or her history. To the extent history is important is the extent to which it can be used to further the Cause. They do not care about American society. They do not care about the economy (as it is experienced from humans and not Bloomberg Terminals). They do not care about anything not directly related to Plucky Little Israel.

This is the same for the neo-liberals. Neo-liberals are the internationalist ying to the neo-con imperealist yang.

If you are only able to consider these issues in the context of violated goalposts and opportunities for pejoratives you should not participate in discussions about them.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sarah was dropped like a hot potato after McCain's defeat and was left with her weird little bunch of GOP embarrassment.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
Sarah was dropped like a hot potato after McCain's defeat and was left with her weird little bunch of GOP embarrassment.


She was picked by Kristol, in case anybody was wondering who wears the pants in the Christian Zionist/Real Zionist relationship.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^When you realize it doesn't really matter who stands behind the podium it opens up all kinds of presidential possibilities in one's mind.

I think at this point I'd rather see this than Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3TOT1lnVTA&feature=related


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are narrowly defining who qualifies as being a neo-con. At this rate Bush and Cheney don't even make the cut.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bush was a tool and Cheney just wants to see what happens.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

catman wrote:
You are narrowly defining who qualifies as being a neo-con. At this rate Bush and Cheney don't even make the cut.


The word "neoconservative" is often used to mean something like "Reaganite/Thatcherite conservative". But I don't think that's the technical definition that would be used in, for example, a PoliSci textbook(not that I am overly familiar with PoliSci textbooks).

The wikipedia article I think is basically accurate in how the term is understood as a technical descriptor. There's a lot of overlap between neo-conservativism and mainstream conservativism, but not everyone who's part of the latter would be part of the former.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a fascinating discussion, but c'mon, guys, you got mises' Israel thread for this.

Getting back on topic, here is the view of the man involved in the demo. I wonder if people will be so hysterical they'll call for McDonald's to change its ad firm.


Ad exec in NU sex-toy row defends actions on blog

By Emily Bryson York
Posted Tuesday at 4:01 p.m.


The Northwestern sex toy scandal got another shot in the arm Tuesday afternoon, as a blog post surfaced that quotes the Chicago advertising executive involved in the demonstration defending his actions and castigating the media for mischaracterizing them.

Jim Marcus, creative director of Tribal DDB, the digital division of DDB Chicago, demonstrated the use of a sex-toy on his fiance in a voluntary assembly after a human sexuality class at Northwestern University this month. The news, first reported in the Daily Northwestern, led to a call for the ouster of professor John Michael Bailey.

�This was not about having fun and exposing the world to what we do,� Marcus wrote in an e-mail to the business blog BNET. �It was about being part of an educational offering to a small group of interested students in an optional environment. Since then, the media has shown up at our house, tried to talk to my family, pulled pictures from the web and maliciously misquoted us, using censorship as their excuse for that ethical violation. Writers such as yourself have called upon my place of work, in essence, to fire me.�

In a phone interview about the blog, Marcus, a digital advertising expert, expressed surprise that his e-mails were published. Tribal DDB�s primary client is McDonald�s.

�At the end of the day, people who work in this field are creative, and they�re passionate about things,� he said. �It would be a huge mistake to associate anything I do (outside of the office) with the clients I work with.�

After the demonstration, Marcus said: �I feel like I�ve been held hostage by this issue,� adding he was prepared to �stand up for what I believe in� even if that meant resigning from the firm. �But I�d be sad, and my kids would be sad,� he said. �Because I love my job.�

A spokeswoman said Tuesday that DDB does not comment on �employees non-work-related activities.� McDonald�s did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to be outdone, this professor is suing her uni which dismissed her after learning of her second job as a stripper.

The Professor's Night Job

March 14, 2011

A former assistant professor of psychology at John F. Kennedy University in Pleasant Hill, Calif., has sued the institution for sex discrimination, alleging that she was fired for performing in an off-campus burlesque act.

On its own, the federal complaint, filed by Sheila M. Addison last week in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California, raises questions about sex, gender stereotypes and free speech for faculty members. In the context of the recent uproar at Northwestern University, where a professor of human sexuality arranged to have a live sex demonstration take place in his lecture hall after class, some say that Addison�s case also raises concerns about double standards of sexually related conduct as they apply to men and women in academe.

more and burlesque at link


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/262511/teachers-unions-testing-bounds-nuttiness-austin-ruse

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The U.N. just concluded a two-week feminist jamboree � the Commission on the Status of Women, which is an intergovernmental body that negotiates documents later approved by the General Assembly. The CSW attracts scores of radical feminists � including this time a woman named Diane Schneider, representing the National Education Association.

At a CSW panel discussion, Schneider said that �oral sex, masturbation, and orgasms need to be taught in education.� She also said students should not be able to �opt out� of such classes, meaning they should be forced to learn about orgasms against their parents� wishes. She also spoke out against �transphobia,� �heterosexism,� and �gender conformity.�


Schneider should not be anywhere near a school.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Space Bar wrote:
Not to be outdone, this professor is suing her uni which dismissed her after learning of her second job as a stripper.

The Professor's Night Job

March 14, 2011

A former assistant professor of psychology at John F. Kennedy University in Pleasant Hill, Calif., has sued the institution for sex discrimination, alleging that she was fired for performing in an off-campus burlesque act.


Universities are institutions that in part rely on prestige in order to operate. They should assuredly have the right to fire professors based on their engaging in demeaning behavior that brings shame on the institution.
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