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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Thus, studies of the relationship between race and other constructs may serve social ends but cannot serve scientific ends. |
It can't serve both? A comprehensive study could perhaps yield neurological insights into the mind of your neighborhood Archer Bunker.
(heads up to Fox who just translated then deleted) |
Yeah, I decided I don't want to get involved discussing the article in question. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| Thus, studies of the relationship between race and other constructs may serve social ends but cannot serve scientific ends. |
It can't serve both? A comprehensive study could perhaps yield neurological insights into the mind of your neighborhood Archie Bunker.
(heads up to Fox who just translated then deleted) |
Yeah, I decided I don't want to get involved discussing the article in question. |
I don't blame you. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Look, the noble lie is that all men are created equal. The equality does not arise in all things in all ways at all times, but is nevertheless a fundamental axiom of law.
Science cannot help us here. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Science cannot help us here. |
Science wants no part of this if it's got half a brain. |
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Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:04 pm Post subject: ... |
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Right,
So, here are the 10 IQ-est countries in the world:
1 Hong Kong 107
2 South Korea 106
3 Japan 105
4 Taiwan 104
5 Singapore 103
6 Austria 102
6 Germany 102
6 Italy 102
6 Netherlands 102
10 Sweden 101
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations
Here are the 10 wealthiest countries:
1 Luxembourg 104,390
2 Norway 84,543
3 Qatar[4] 74,422
4 Switzerland 67,074
5 Denmark 55,113
6 Australia 54,869
7 Sweden 47,667
8 United Arab Emirates 47,406
9 United States 47,132
10 Netherlands 46,418
If we factor in the opinions of tax accountants with snide opinions of EFL teachers, socialism, and space exploration and divide by the imminent Islamic tsunami posed to wipe out the West, the list looks likes this:
1. Canada
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1. Canada |
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Menino80

Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Location: Hodor?
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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The real question here is what causes what? There's obviously a correlation between wealth and IQ, I don't think anyone has even tried to look at causation. This can be applied to anything really, especially work ethic, an incredibly loaded idea for the "Goofus and Gallant" economic moralisers on the American right.
I will quote Ha-Joon Chang, a favorite economist of mine:
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In other words, many of the �negative� forms of behaviour of the
Japanese and Germans in the past were largely the outcomes of economic
conditions common to all economically-underdeveloped countries, rather
than of their specific cultures. This is why the Germans and the Japanese in the past were �culturally� far more similar to people in today�s developing
countries than to the Germans and the Japanese of today.
Many of these apparently unchangeable �habits of national heritage�
can be, and have been, transformed quite quickly by changes in economic
conditions.
This is what some observers actually witnessed in late-19th
century Germany and early-20th century Japan. Sidney Gulick, the American missionary whom I cited above, observed that �the Japanese give the double impression of being industrious and diligent on the one hand and, on the other, of being lazy and utterly indifferent to the passage of time�.
If you looked at the workers in the new factories, they looked very industrious. But if you looked at under-employed farmers and carpenters, they looked �lazy�. |
I'll say it again: culture exists but it matters only very slightly. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 1:36 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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..and divide by the imminent Islamic tsunami posed to wipe out the West, the list looks likes this:
1. Canada
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1. Canada |
Canada is impervious to Islamification? |
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smee18
Joined: 24 Mar 2009 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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There are over 42 million American adults, 20 percent of whom hold high school diplomas, who cannot read, as well as the 50 million who read at a fourth- or fifth-grade level. Nearly a third of the nation's population is illiterate or barely literate. And their numbers are growing by an estimated 2 million a year. But even those who are supposedly literate retreat in huge numbers into an image-based existence. A third of high school graduates, along with 42 percent of college graduates, never read a book after they finish school. Eighty percent of the families in the United States last year did not buy a book.
... richest country in the world. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Eighty percent of the families in the United States last year did not buy a book. |
No big deal - thirty percent saw the movie. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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Either race is a social construct or society is a racial construct. Hard to know. I was in Memphis this week.
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So the wife and I are in the market for a dog. I want a calm, big dog. I'm thinking weimaraner or lab (white, of course). Wife wants a big, aggressive dog (doberman) cause I travel tons. I guess we should split the difference and get a chihuahua, cause the breeds are a breedist social construct?
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Here's Derb, speaking to the Black Law Students' Association (BLSA) of the University of Pennsylvania Law School:
http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/HumanSciences/upennlaw.html |
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