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hagwonnewbie

Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Location: Asia
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Romantic love does not seem to be a motivating factor for most of the Asian women I've met. It's sad because what else is there? |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Interesting chatter about how much engineers make. The 10 years since graduating, I only know of one guy from my class making even close to the insane numbers that are quoted here. He's making somewhere in the $120,000/yr range as an IC designer. I just don't believe the numbers unless they are in that 50 year old age range. |
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southernman
Joined: 15 Jan 2010 Location: On the mainland again
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| Interesting chatter about how much engineers make. The 10 years since graduating, I only know of one guy from my class making even close to the insane numbers that are quoted here. He's making somewhere in the $120,000/yr range as an IC designer. I just don't believe the numbers unless they are in that 50 year old age range. |
Lots of them were in their late 30's through to mid fifties. They were on Engineers Visa's but the majority of them were overseeing the building of ships for their companies, lots of Oil drilling ships amongst them. The sub-contractors actually working onshore were mostly in their late thirties as well. part of the pay was actually danger money for working here. because of the Korean conflict |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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I totally believe there are people on that money, and that many of those people are women. 15mil per month means $150k in the states? For a mid-high level engineer running multi-billion dollar projects that is average money. Although there are not so many yet, in coming years there is gonna be tonnes of Korean females in the financial, legal and accounting industry and working as CEO's banking way way more than that.
In the states a woman making $150k per year if she was high up in Boeing, Bechtel, working as a lawyer or accountant....that is normal kind of. I have worked in banking and accounting for women making close to 7 figures.
But back to the real point. To get there and make that coin ANYONE man or woman has to do what Limp Biskit said and "Suck alot of ....." Also they gotta put their social life second alot of the time and in reality such people don't mind this at all.
However when they wake up in their mid 30s and realise that every ounce of their time and effort has gone into their career and lifestyle trappings and that the entire other part of their life that consists of their spiritual, emotional and relationships has been neglected....well this is the people that Southern man is meeting. They have great jobs but they are bored. They have lots of money but they feel like they need something else.
Such people have made their beds. They should lie in them. Instead they often go around drinking too much, cheating, having mid life crises and breaking up their marriages....if only they had put more thought into what makes them happy when they were in their 20s they wouldn't have turned into cougers when they reached their late 30's.
If you find such women (or men) attractive good luck to you. But just remember while you may be meeting someone who seems to have it all, they really have the emotional maturity of a 21 year old since they have missed out on so much of the experimentation, soul searching, mistakes, failures, heartache and just plain old free time to pursue your hobbies and find out who you are... |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Getting married and making a lot of money isn't supposed to be about you, it's about your children.
Otherwise just mess around.... |
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rainism
Joined: 13 Apr 2011
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Getting married and making a lot of money isn't supposed to be about you, it's about your children.
Otherwise just mess around.... |
THIS.
this is also your answer as to why in many parts of the world, "romantic love" isn't a prerequisite to marriage and in many cases isn't even involved.
this and political/economic family arrangements.
the "romantic love for life" concept is utopian bliss BS pushed on society by certain segments of Western societies. Works on idealistic 20 somethings.
By their late 30's and early 40's, people have mostly "fallen out of love" and the union stays together for the sake of the children, economic, convenience, etc. Many things, but rarely "love". |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:05 am Post subject: |
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couldn't disagree more. I think you are referring mostly to marriages which in the first instance were not formed freely and with people who carefully considered their partner and whether they could live together.
It was not even 50 years ago that the pressure in Western Societies forced people to select from a limited pool of potential mates, or even directly follow instructions or pressure from family.
An awful lot of people still get married because the woman go pregnant. I cannot tell you how many times I have heard or seen that in people I or y friends know over the past few years.
An awful lot of people mess around too long and end up desperately settling on the first warm body that says yes.
Many young people got married too young before they really knew themselves or their partners. Those marriages can also fail.
Many marriages fail because one or both partners have some kind of mental issues that were not present when they were younger. You cannot blame the marriage for ending on the marriage itself when there is a catastrophic event, one partner realises they are gay, one becomes depressed, has a nervous breakdown, shows effects of childhood abuse that were hidden until a future date...you cannot blame "marriage being unnatural" for any of those instances of breakup
I personally know a hell of a lot of strong marriages where the partners are ageing together.
So in summary, I think that what rainism is saying is that the problem with marriages not staying together is not so much a problem with freely carefully entered marriage but all those other kinds which were forced for whatever reason. |
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Times30
Joined: 27 Mar 2010
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| rainism wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Getting married and making a lot of money isn't supposed to be about you, it's about your children.
Otherwise just mess around.... |
THIS.
this is also your answer as to why in many parts of the world, "romantic love" isn't a prerequisite to marriage and in many cases isn't even involved.
this and political/economic family arrangements.
the "romantic love for life" concept is utopian bliss BS pushed on society by certain segments of Western societies. Works on idealistic 20 somethings.
By their late 30's and early 40's, people have mostly "fallen out of love" and the union stays together for the sake of the children, economic, convenience, etc. Many things, but rarely "love". |
I remember reading an article about a woman who was an anthropologist studying marriage. She said basically marriage was never about "love" and was mostly for the sake of either food, money, power, or safety. Love is an extremely new concept in marriage.
I agree, especially that it's a very idealistic 20's concept. we can only love something for only so long until we get tired of it, but d if we're committed through responsibility to raise children, that's a much more stable and reasonable expectation for marriage than "love". I don't know about you guys, but I've never "loved" anything for more than a couple years, including video games, music, or sports. It all fades away rather quickly and if I built a relationship on such a thin foundation I would be creating a terrible home for a bunch of kids that are my own to live in a disheartening future. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Times30 wrote: |
| rainism wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Getting married and making a lot of money isn't supposed to be about you, it's about your children.
Otherwise just mess around.... |
THIS.
this is also your answer as to why in many parts of the world, "romantic love" isn't a prerequisite to marriage and in many cases isn't even involved.
this and political/economic family arrangements.
the "romantic love for life" concept is utopian bliss BS pushed on society by certain segments of Western societies. Works on idealistic 20 somethings.
By their late 30's and early 40's, people have mostly "fallen out of love" and the union stays together for the sake of the children, economic, convenience, etc. Many things, but rarely "love". |
I remember reading an article about a woman who was an anthropologist studying marriage. She said basically marriage was never about "love" and was mostly for the sake of either food, money, power, or safety. Love is an extremely new concept in marriage.
I agree, especially that it's a very idealistic 20's concept. we can only love something for only so long until we get tired of it, but d if we're committed through responsibility to raise children, that's a much more stable and reasonable expectation for marriage than "love". I don't know about you guys, but I've never "loved" anything for more than a couple years, including video games, music, or sports. It all fades away rather quickly and if I built a relationship on such a thin foundation I would be creating a terrible home for a bunch of kids that are my own to live in a disheartening future. |
I have "loved" my wife for far more than a couple of years. I actually feel our love continues to grow stronger. |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Holland
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| Times30 wrote: |
| rainism wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Getting married and making a lot of money isn't supposed to be about you, it's about your children.
Otherwise just mess around.... |
THIS.
this is also your answer as to why in many parts of the world, "romantic love" isn't a prerequisite to marriage and in many cases isn't even involved.
this and political/economic family arrangements.
the "romantic love for life" concept is utopian bliss BS pushed on society by certain segments of Western societies. Works on idealistic 20 somethings.
By their late 30's and early 40's, people have mostly "fallen out of love" and the union stays together for the sake of the children, economic, convenience, etc. Many things, but rarely "love". |
I remember reading an article about a woman who was an anthropologist studying marriage. She said basically marriage was never about "love" and was mostly for the sake of either food, money, power, or safety. Love is an extremely new concept in marriage.
I agree, especially that it's a very idealistic 20's concept. we can only love something for only so long until we get tired of it, but d if we're committed through responsibility to raise children, that's a much more stable and reasonable expectation for marriage than "love". I don't know about you guys, but I've never "loved" anything for more than a couple years, including video games, music, or sports. It all fades away rather quickly and if I built a relationship on such a thin foundation I would be creating a terrible home for a bunch of kids that are my own to live in a disheartening future. |
You've never loved a sports team for more than 2 years? So every 2 years or so you change teams?  |
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ThingsComeAround

Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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You've never loved a sports team for more than 2 years? So every 2 years or so you change teams?  |
Sports teams have the advantage of bringing in new players... |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| ThingsComeAround wrote: |
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You've never loved a sports team for more than 2 years? So every 2 years or so you change teams?  |
Sports teams have the advantage of bringing in new players... |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| ThingsComeAround wrote: |
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You've never loved a sports team for more than 2 years? So every 2 years or so you change teams?  |
Sports teams have the advantage of bringing in new players... |
a few words from a very very wise man.  |
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