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You ever overhear Koreans talking bad about you?
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tamada wrote:
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Korean food does mostly suck.....it's definitely right at the bottom of the list of 5 countries that I've lived in before. Sad


Good for you!

Again: tastes are personal.

Sorry you dislike it so much. I hope you get to enjoy those foods you prefer soon. Smile

In the meantime, it is possible you know to say you dislike a food or something without demeaning it (this sucks)...

Take care out there.

Back on topic...if you listen at Koreans in restaurants, they might be talking about Korean food...so you may want to avoid such places!
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myenglishisno



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tamada wrote:
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Korean food does mostly suck.....it's definitely right at the bottom of the list of 5 countries that I've lived in before. Sad


Really? I lived in Japan for a year and personally prefer Korean food over Japanese food. Not just because I'm vegetarian and Korean food has more options but also because it's tastier and varies so much from restaurant to restaurant.

It's down to personal tastes.
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Chris.Quigley



Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

myenglishisno wrote:
Tamada wrote:
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Korean food does mostly suck.....it's definitely right at the bottom of the list of 5 countries that I've lived in before. Sad


Really? I lived in Japan for a year and personally prefer Korean food over Japanese food. Not just because I'm vegetarian and Korean food has more options but also because it's tastier and varies so much from restaurant to restaurant.

It's down to personal tastes.


Are you trolling? I like Korean food too... but most people on this forum complain about a lack of variety and a lack of vegetarian options. Have you found a hidden vegetarian culture in Korea that no one else has heard of? If you have, I highly recommend you share it with the rest of us - there are many who are struggling with finding vegetarian options who would appreciate it.

I agree though, it's down to personal tastes.
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Chris.Quigley



Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solutions?

So, we have been discussing the problem for years... What is the solution then? What are we going to do about all the xenophobia and racism in Korea? (I am not patronizing you guys).

My feelings about the racism are that it is real, Korea isn't doing anything about it, and it makes foreigner's lives difficult or uncomfortable. (I was brutally assaulted and ended up in hospital because of it - so I am not a Korea apologist - I am not telling the story again so please don't ask, it's too long to talk about here.)

But, if it isn't going to go away we need a strategy to deal with it in a mature fashion.

My recommendation is:

Leave Korea - why stay in a place that treats you like crap? what is keeping you here? Is money the only thing that matters to you?

Try to focus on what you like about Korea and Koreans - this doesn't mean you ignore the problems, just give the problems a share of your thought-life that is proportional to the size of the problem. I find that people magnify problems and ignore the good things. If the problems are as bad as you think - Leave Korea.

Your thought life can be your worst enemy in Korea - it is extremely important that you try and balance the bad with the good. It is unlikely that more than 50% of your experiences in Korea are negative - so why do more than 50% of your thoughts about Korea end with "Koreans are racists." Maybe I am projecting a bit, because I struggle with the same thing.

There is nothing keeping you here - unless you are married and have children. You need to start making an exit plan. Korea isn't going to change because of a few foreigners. It will take decades before Koreans start to combat the racism themselves. When this happens it will change.

edit: I should add that I do not live in Korea myself - how I was treated is definitely a consideration that would enter my mind if I decided to return
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TheUrbanMyth



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris.Quigley wrote:
Solutions?

My recommendation is:

Leave Korea - why stay in a place that treats you like crap? what is keeping you here? Is money the only thing that matters to you?



Some people actually like it here because they are NOT being treated "like crap".

And some people are here because working in Korea (even though they hate it) beats being unemployed back home.
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Mix1



Joined: 08 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris.Quigley wrote:
Solutions?

Leave Korea - why stay in a place that treats you like crap? what is keeping you here? Is money the only thing that matters to you?

Try to focus on what you like about Korea and Koreans - this doesn't mean you ignore the problems, just give the problems a share of your thought-life that is proportional to the size of the problem. I find that people magnify problems and ignore the good things. If the problems are as bad as you think - Leave Korea.

Your thought life can be your worst enemy in Korea - it is extremely important that you try and balance the bad with the good. It is unlikely that more than 50% of your experiences in Korea are negative - so why do more than 50% of your thoughts about Korea end with "Koreans are racists." Maybe I am projecting a bit, because I struggle with the same thing.

There is nothing keeping you here - unless you are married and have children. You need to start making an exit plan.


Good analysis of the issue and good advice. But...
I think for many, they don't feel they are treated like complete crap on a daily basis, it's more of a hit and miss thing - just like in any country. But it's a time bomb ticking here before the next demeaning mocking comments begin. I think when you concentrate on the good things here it's still a great deal and a great time overall. It's just that when the weird stuff happens it definitely rubs you the wrong way.

It's like having a nice, pretty girlfriend who flips out every once in a while - it's slowly starts to shape your overall view of her, and even though you really like some of the fringe benefits and still like her a lot, you aren't sure if you'll be in it for the long haul. Maybe that's a bad analogy.

Anyway, life is generally good here, I think people are just complaining about some of the stuff that irritates them once in a while. But of course if life overwhelmingly sucks here for someone, they should definitely get that exit plan going.

About the whole, "just leave" thing though, imagine if a Korean moved to the U.S., got a great job and girlfriend, but then had/has some bad experiences with racist hicks making comments at him from time to time. He has the audacity to call it racism or bigotry and mentions it to someone, and their response is, "if you don't like it, just leave the USA." Ok, that's one option, but not necessarily the best one. It really depends.
But overall I agree with you.
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highstreet



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But being a English teacher isn't a great job.

I mean how many people would come to teach if housing wasn't provided?
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crescent



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tonight, according to the adjumma club of 4, sitting at the next table in my local Indian joint:

1. Foreigners can't tell the age of Asian women, and are simply too interested in Asian women to the point of not caring about age or looks. This is true because a friend of one of the adjummas, who is older than said adjumma, is dating a foreigner.
2. If they went to another country to have an affair, all they would have to do is sit in a bar and wait, and a foreign guy would approach them for sex.
3. Foreign men always pour on the romance at the beginning of the relationship until they have sex with the woman for the first time.

The women were seriously talking about wanting to have affairs, and deemed the only way to carry one out without getting caught, was to go abroad.
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Chris.Quigley



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I 100% agree with the above. I know many people who like living in Korea. So, for those people my advice isn't very useful.

I was referring more to those who hate living in Korea and for whatever reason notice a lot more racism than other people do. (Again, I am not one to deny the existence of racism in Korea - although I do think it is magnified by some.)

If you hate living in Korea - leave! If you stay in Korea yet claim you hate Korea, and have nothing keeping you here - then you are an idiot.

edit: I think that the situation of an English teacher is a little bit different to a Korean immigrant in the US. Most of us don't expect to stay forever. For most of us it is a temporary experiment. Like I said, if a person is married and is tied to the country "Just leave" doesn't really work. So I agree with you.
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rainism



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crescent wrote:
Tonight, according to the adjumma club of 4, sitting at the next table in my local Indian joint:

1. Foreigners can't tell the age of Asian women, and are simply too interested in Asian women to the point of not caring about age or looks. This is true because a friend of one of the adjummas, who is older than said adjumma, is dating a foreigner.
2. If they went to another country to have an affair, all they would have to do is sit in a bar and wait, and a foreign guy would approach them for sex.
3. Foreign men always pour on the romance at the beginning of the relationship until they have sex with the woman for the first time.

The women were seriously talking about wanting to have affairs, and deemed the only way to carry one out without getting caught, was to go abroad.


precious!!! keep it/them coming! Very Happy
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benji1422



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crescent wrote:
Tonight, according to the adjumma club of 4, sitting at the next table in my local Indian joint:

1. Foreigners can't tell the age of Asian women, and are simply too interested in Asian women to the point of not caring about age or looks. This is true because a friend of one of the adjummas, who is older than said adjumma, is dating a foreigner.
2. If they went to another country to have an affair, all they would have to do is sit in a bar and wait, and a foreign guy would approach them for sex.
3. Foreign men always pour on the romance at the beginning of the relationship until they have sex with the woman for the first time.

The women were seriously talking about wanting to have affairs, and deemed the only way to carry one out without getting caught, was to go abroad.


Korean ajummas might be rude, but when they get together they speak the truth. I'm a foreign male who does business in Korea and I lived there. This is 100% spot on on how my white male friends think when they hit k-town bars or a place in Seoul like JJ's. Also koreans talk very freely amongst me so I get both sides.

Koreans get together and talk about the whole foreign male behavior amongst themselves all the time and these points are common knowledge, so you were not privy to some secret conversation. Also your ajumma table left out dick size. That is something that everyone talks about openly! I mean, Korean men watch a LOT of porn, so why wouldn't they obsess over this? The dating the foreigner issue is a hot topic in Korean women's magazines as well...

I have been reading ESL cafe for 5 years now so I find this thread hilarious. It's always the same minor complaints... and all of the complaints are the same complaints that minorities have when they come to the U.S. or any other western country. They get gawked at. People act weird! They imitate them! They get treated as sex objects!
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rainism



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
The dating the foreigner issue is a hot topic in Korean women's magazines as well...


yeah? and what do the mags say?
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crescent



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

benji1422 wrote:
This is 100% spot on on how my white male friends think when they hit k-town bars or a place in Seoul like JJ's.

So, your friends speak for all men? Given a bar full of women, all the Asian women, regardless of age or looks would be hit on more?
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elculbr



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

benji,

Since you know the common opinions of Koreans on foreign men, what do the Koreans say about foreign women? Is "foreign women are whores" a common opinion?
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rainism



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crescent wrote:
benji1422 wrote:
This is 100% spot on on how my white male friends think when they hit k-town bars or a place in Seoul like JJ's.

So, your friends speak for all men? Given a bar full of women, all the Asian women, regardless of age or looks would be hit on more?


obviously that's NONSENSE.
even the most fervent "yellow fever" acolytes may pause/choke on that statement.

the very concept of yellow fever is predicated on the fast that Asian women will more likely be slimmer, younger, ergo more attractive. Others will add their supposed "demure/let the man be king" demeanor, but that has always been a big facade.
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