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So WHAT exactly am I missing by foregoing Seoul...?
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shifter2009



Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FDNY wrote:
REMEMBER THIS, UNDERSTAND THIS, LIVE THIS:

"Cohiba's Rule" (Now better than ever!):

Think twice before you live outside of Seoul. "In Seoul" and
"outside of Seoul" are like two different countries. Seoul
is an interesting place with variety and venues for most
tastes. Outside of Seoul you will find a homogeneous Korean
culture. I don't mean this in a bad way, but you will never
find things like: French, Greek, Indian or any other ethnic
foods. Markets that sell sherry, pate, pastrami, ricotta cheese.
Specialty shops that sell Cuban cigars, European pies, cold
cuts or rye breads. Just to name a few things. Also clubs such
as photography, drama, public speaking, sailing are 99% in
the capital city. If you want to experiment with a very Korean
culture, which unfortunately means "closed", then choose the
countryside. If you want to make money and have the lifestyle
choices similar to a western country, then there is no other
choice than Seoul.

The FFF RULE: FFF=Fun For Foreigners.

If FFF in Seoul = 100, then FFF decreases at
1/distance. So 2km from Seoul FFF=1/2(100)=50;
10km from Seoul FFF=1/10(100)=10. This rule is
a rule for nightlife, food and foreign products only.
Nature etc. is on a different scale altogether.

This means you will be wasting a lot of time commuting
to Seoul. This is especially a drag if you have been
boozing on a Friday night and there are no buses or
trains.

I, unfortunately, live near Seoul where the FFF factor
is almost in the negative range. I know!


Man, I was so happy to see through 2 pages some dope hadn't immediately posted this crap and here you had to go and ruin it. *sigh*
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sirius black



Joined: 04 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bossface wrote:
I live in Seoul. It's the way to go, trust me. I've been to pretty much every Korean city of consequence, and none compare, except maybe busan. Seoul has a ton of mountains and greenspace. If you want to live like a "real Korean," then live in Seoul. Theres a reason that half the country lives in Seoul metro. The expat scene in other towns is more close knit, but it also borders on ridiculous. I was just in incheon, a major city itself, and went to one of the more famous expat bars, and I felt like I was walking in on a a high school party. EVERYONE knew EVERYONE. It was horrible.


How do you account for the thousands of teachers who have great jobs, great friends and a great life in the many cities and towns outside of Seoul?
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Noise



Joined: 02 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the OP--the best I can say is, ask yourself if you are a big city person or not. If you are, choose Seoul. I love both the country and the city but I loathe suburbs and middle-sized towns. In Korea I would choose Seoul to start with; I'm from NYC and living in the major city is just more natural to me. I would love a truly traditional Korean village. But how would I know, without visiting it in advance, that a village or small town was really the bucolic place I would be happy in?

As for vegetarianism: Seoul does have a couple of traditional Buddhist vegetarian restaurants; there is one in Insadong. But for most things, you are really limiting yourself if you are strict. Most, but not all kimchi includes tiny fermented shrimp and/or fermented anchovy sauce, and sometimes there will be some fermented oysters as well. Not much of these things, just a bit. Same goes for things like seaweed soup and doenjang or miso soup. If you could reconcile yourself to eating these tiny invertebrates in small quantities, you would at least be able to eat these staples of Korean meals, which, together with rice and a few obviously vegetable-based side dishes, would afford basic normal meals. Plus, you would automatically be getting a bit of Vitamin B12 and even Vitamin D, zinc, and perhaps a few other nutrients that vegetarian diets tend to be deficient in. When I last lived in Seoul, I had a vegetarian co-worker who ate the same noodles every day: it was the only vegetarian option in the neighborhood. That is not a healthy way of life!

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There are only two things that would ever make me consider living in Seoul: The Seoul Cinematheque and The Korea Film Archive. Everything else can be done on the weekends. Traffic is light going in on Saturday morning and not bad leaving on Sunday evening...most people are going in the opposite direction (at least from where I've ever been living). There are, however, a lot of movies that I've missed, and am missing right now (Ozu films at the Cinematheque). Of course, nobody seems to care about such things so it's probably not an issue...

For anybody that does... see you on Saturday.


Hey Erasmus, I love Ozu! I seem to have bad luck--I left New York when we had an Ozu festival under way, and now I'm arriving in Seoul just days after yours is ending. But it looks like this Cinemateque consistently has good stuff, and this is the reason why I too prefer to live in a major city. Let me know when other good films get shown! And this Ozu festival even has English subtitles!
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pegasus64128



Joined: 20 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

erasmus wrote:
There are only two things that would ever make me consider living in Seoul: The Seoul Cinematheque and The Korea Film Archive. Everything else can be done on the weekends. Traffic is light going in on Saturday morning and not bad leaving on Sunday evening...most people are going in the opposite direction (at least from where I've ever been living). There are, however, a lot of movies that I've missed, and am missing right now (Ozu films at the Cinematheque). Of course, nobody seems to care about such things so it's probably not an issue...

For anybody that does... see you on Saturday.


I don't agree that there are any reasons to live in Seoul. It's a mirage. You need to get out of your comfort zone and accept that Seoul is a trap - You'll get tired of it/from it or just run out of years to make it work.
But it's better than allot of other places in the world, that's for sure, but Seoul is a mirage!
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Jotun_Symph



Joined: 21 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:18 am    Post subject: Re: So WHAT exactly am I missing by foregoing Seoul...? Reply with quote

michellegm15 wrote:
I have been scouring the "where to live" threads, and as a thoroughly indecisive person, this leaves me all the more confused. My visa docs are coming in very soon, so I need to crack down on the decisions.

I am a bit hesitant to look for a job in Seoul because of all of the comments I see...it's freezing cold, harder to meet people (both expat and Korean), not so friendly, polluted (though getting better?), expensive, not as nature-accessible, only really better to be in if you need niche international food on a regular basis...

Is there anything I'm missing? This is a last-ditch attempt to see if there is some other hidden "X"-factor I'm missing before I take the plunge elsewhere.

I realize it all depends on what I'm looking for, and I am looking for a sense of friendliness (Korean and expat both), nature, would like to save money rather than constantly spend...yet also need that sense of diversity/liveliness/young energy in a city. I'm also strictly vegetarian. I hate freezing winters, but I'm used to it by now...can manage.


Whoever told you that Seoul is not nature accessible was greatly misinformed. The city is essentially dissected into sections by mountains (Ansan, Inwangsan, Namsan, Gwanaksan, Achasan, Bukansan, etc...). It's the combination of urban neon-sign craziness and the very accessible natural beauty of the mountains that makes Seoul such a unique city. I've literally eaten breakfast in Hongdae, climbed a 300 meter-high granite mountain, and ended up in downtown Seoul for lunch.
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yodanole



Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: La Florida

PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:46 am    Post subject: Consider carefully: Reply with quote

1) I lived in Korea for 15 years. I went to Seoul twice. To visit the embassy. Neither trip lasted more than about 6 hours (excluding travel time ).

2) How many vegetable gardens do you see in metropolitan cities? Disclaimer: ( I'm not a vegetarian )

3) I wonder what the odds are that someone named Michelle cares about single women. 10%?

4) I had a great life in Korea. There were Western style clubs available all along. I just didn't go to them. I was happy enough in Korean style establishments.

5) If you teach private lessons, there is a program that will pay substantial sums to citizens that report you to immigration. This could result in draconian fines and deportation.

Good luck!
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northway



Joined: 05 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: So WHAT exactly am I missing by foregoing Seoul...? Reply with quote

Jotun_Symph wrote:
michellegm15 wrote:
I have been scouring the "where to live" threads, and as a thoroughly indecisive person, this leaves me all the more confused. My visa docs are coming in very soon, so I need to crack down on the decisions.

I am a bit hesitant to look for a job in Seoul because of all of the comments I see...it's freezing cold, harder to meet people (both expat and Korean), not so friendly, polluted (though getting better?), expensive, not as nature-accessible, only really better to be in if you need niche international food on a regular basis...

Is there anything I'm missing? This is a last-ditch attempt to see if there is some other hidden "X"-factor I'm missing before I take the plunge elsewhere.

I realize it all depends on what I'm looking for, and I am looking for a sense of friendliness (Korean and expat both), nature, would like to save money rather than constantly spend...yet also need that sense of diversity/liveliness/young energy in a city. I'm also strictly vegetarian. I hate freezing winters, but I'm used to it by now...can manage.


Whoever told you that Seoul is not nature accessible was greatly misinformed. The city is essentially dissected into sections by mountains (Ansan, Inwangsan, Namsan, Gwanaksan, Achasan, Bukansan, etc...). It's the combination of urban neon-sign craziness and the very accessible natural beauty of the mountains that makes Seoul such a unique city. I've literally eaten breakfast in Hongdae, climbed a 300 meter-high granite mountain, and ended up in downtown Seoul for lunch.


Yeah, and it's not as if it's significantly farther to major parks, etc. from Seoul than it is from other big cities. I'm not in the Seoul or bust crowd, but I feel like the accessibility to nature argument is one of the standard recruiter lines to convince people to work outside of Seoul. I put it in a similar category to, "Seoul is so expensive! You should really work in Ansan."
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philipswoodjnr



Joined: 03 Oct 2011

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mexican food.
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Malislamusrex



Joined: 01 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you live in Seoul, you may never leave and think that Seoul is the only place that does Mexican food.

philipswoodjnr wrote:
Mexican food.
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isisaredead



Joined: 18 May 2010

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

philipswoodjnr wrote:
Mexican food.


ha ha ha ha ha. wrong.
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bossface



Joined: 05 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my two cents.

tl;dr - pro-Seoul.

http://sportsthatareright.blogspot.com/2011/07/korea-n00bs-seoul-is-only-city-that.html
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pegasus64128



Joined: 20 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bossface wrote:
my two cents.

tl;dr - pro-Seoul.

http://sportsthatareright.blogspot.com/2011/07/korea-n00bs-seoul-is-only-city-that.html


Yeah, that looks pretty fair. Pohang is another place that deserves mention. Haven't met anyone who actually works there but it's got nice beaches. Chuncheon (including its dalggalbi) is overrated imo. Bundang is a lovely place.
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isisaredead



Joined: 18 May 2010

PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you have the right attitude, anywhere will be fine.
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KateChoi



Joined: 19 Jan 2011
Location: TN

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) A non stop surrounding of people and cars 2) Trashy streets 3) Poop smell in the summer 4) Alot more waygookins 5) Giant concrete buildings everywhere 6) Some ok international food places but not as many as you would think in a big city like seoul 7) bus convienence Cool The never ending city sounds
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know only some people are nice, others are bad. Even if I am a Korean, they treat me badly sometimes.
Be careful kinds of English gold digger and trick. Especially the Seoul has double faces like dangerous and nice.
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